Nikon F100, N80 and B/W film

Looking for a Nikon AF Film SLR I purchased a F100. But sold it in favor of the N70. With that you can meter with all the old AI or AIS lenses you may have on hand. And also have AF confirmation in the finder for these old manual lenses.
 
I used to have an F80. Later I got myself an F100 and sold the F80 when I fell for an F5.

None of those cameras were power hungry with me. And I used AF-S glass on all of them (the plastic fantastic AF-S 24-85 and the AF-S 24-120 VR). Of course, they are the best there is to me, and if I used them consistently with E-6 film, I never had a doubt about their exposing conventional B&W film.

The F5 is, indeed, a monster, but it doesn't eat up batteries that fast... in fact, not fast at all. Neither does the F100, but as long as you make sure to load ONLY lithium or rechargeables for gizmos that demand high power, you'll do fine.

BTW, the F80/N80 and the F100 can be used with a Nikon battery grip (I cannot recall whether the MB-15 is for the F80 or if it's the MB-16), which allows the use of AA batteries.
 
I shot a fair amount with an N80 and a 50/1.8 AFD. The exposures were always good (interestingly I had better luck with the N80 than with the F100 as far as AE goes) but the 50/1.8 was noticebly softer than the 35 CV PII that I was using on my M6 at the time. I was pretty disappointed in the difference.
 
Considering using manual lenses? Maybe it's easier just to buy an F or one of the other Nikons that use pre AI and Ai-s lenses.

Ken Rockwell has this chart for what works on what.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/compatibility-lens.htm

My primary film camera is a Nikon F3 HP. You can get diopter correction (I use this) for the finder. And I believe the F3 HP to have the best SLR view finder Nikon has ever made.. ever. There are a lot of these cameras around, for a couple of hundred dollars. Repair parts are plentiful. A pair of SN44 last a year or more. It has a mirror lock up - which I use a lot, and with an E screen you get a grid, with fine focus in the center.. if you need AF, this is not for you. The N70 noted earlier looks interesting. They are certainly inexpensive enough to try with out making a big investment in an error.
 
I shot a fair amount with an N80 and a 50/1.8 AFD. The exposures were always good (interestingly I had better luck with the N80 than with the F100 as far as AE goes) but the 50/1.8 was noticebly softer than the 35 CV PII that I was using on my M6 at the time. I was pretty disappointed in the difference.

The 50 1.8 non AF is a very sharp lens if not damaged. Often a lens can be bounced off of a carpet knocking the glass off axis, while not showing any exterior damage. I test my lenses regularly and always test anything i buy, new or used. Many fail to test well, if they are used and older. If you get a really sharp one, hang on to it.

As for the AF lenses, I can remember testing my 17-35mm Nikkor. It was very sharp at 35mm. At all other focal lengths, where I had primes to compare, (28,24,20) it didn't come close to matching the performance of the primes. i would test at almost all F stops. Most Nikkors are sharpest about 3 to 4 stops down from wide open.
 
It's certainly a whole different thing to shoot with a late AF film camera versus the experience with an M or F3 (or anything earlier). I think if you go with a modern AF camera you should go whole hog with the modern lenses too, and really learn how to exploit it. Or go full retro, as a F3HP with AI glass is also a great experience. The only Nikons I don't care for are the popular FM-FE style bodies, I used them a lot for ten years and now their shutters just sound awful tinny and cheap to me (although never had a problem with the results). OK I am not a fan of the plastic AF primes build-wise either... but they do shoot well.

Jim I sold you my N80 and 50AF. I didn't think it was soft at all and I've had the VC Leica 35 too.

If anything the Nikon lenses are harsh sharp compared to the M-lenses I've used.
 
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It's certainly a whole different thing to shoot with a late AF film camera versus the experience with an M or F3 (or anything earlier). I think if you go with a modern AF camera you should go whole hog with the modern lenses too, and really learn how to exploit it. Or go full retro, as a F3HP with AI glass is also a great experience. The only Nikons I don't care for are the popular FM-FE style bodies, I used them a lot for ten years and now their shutters just sound awful tinny and cheap to me (although never had a problem with the results). OK I am not a fan of the plastic AF primes build-wise either... but they do shoot well.
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I'm generally in studio flash, servo motor (AF sounds) land, all day long when working. I really enjoy a simple camera and a roll of film and non AF. If I didn't have to use all the photo gear i have, to pay my bills, I would get rid of about 70% of it. i would have some kind of digital camera.. but prefer film for having fun. My favorite thing about the newer Digi - AF gear is Nikon's CLS lighting. That's a lot of fun and I use it, and all the high tech stuff that's needed, when working for $$.
 
Looking at all this... If I want
- AF
- Metering with AI/AIS lenses
- VR, and
- Works with G lenses

Then, my choices are very limited:
- F100 -or-
- F5, F6

N80, N65, and N75 come close, but won't meter AI/AIS lenses

And, for the OP, yes, the Nikon bodies are all great for B&W.
 
The viewfinder on N80 is pretty dim and it gets worst if used with Ai lenses and the lens is stopped down. The Af is also pretty weak when it comes to N80.

F100 is heavy and noisy but it has a better viewfinder and Af speed is very fast.

Both of these cameras have the matrix metering which is great for slides but produce flat b&w negatives.
 
... will be receiving an F5 soon. I did not know it takes 8 batteries and will probably use manual focus with it to save power. I'm not a fast shooter so the MF is fine with me ...

Use the 8x lithium double-a's and they will last a very long time. I usually get 30+ rolls through my F5 on a set of 8 (rough cost=$20).
 
Just to round it out, the N90 will AF, meter with AI, is partially compatible with G lenses (S, P only) and will NOT work with VR.


Looking at all this... If I want
- AF
- Metering with AI/AIS lenses
- VR, and
- Works with G lenses

Then, my choices are very limited:
- F100 -or-
- F5, F6

N80, N65, and N75 come close, but won't meter AI/AIS lenses

And, for the OP, yes, the Nikon bodies are all great for B&W.
 
I've been following this, and can remember when the F100 came out. The Nikon Pro reps were very excited about this camera as it solved a lot of system legacy problems in a lighter weight camera. One of the big differences in the F6 is that it is compatible with the CLS lighting gear. As I look through the models listed, I can see the evolution of the backward compatible lens mount. It's interesting. Lots of choices and options in the legacy depending on ones needs. The introduction of VR reduces the choices for those who need it.
 
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So it looks like little Nikons are created equal after all 🙂

It would seem that the F100 is better than the F80 and the big daddy F4 and F5 are better than them all, of course there are compromises with any camera.

So as a humble F80 user should i spend some money on and F5 and live happily ever after? The size and weight are not an issue as I'm a big guy.

How do we go about testing lenses PKR?

The suggestion of using modern lenses with modern cameras and saving the Ai for the F3 make sense to ... thanks.
 
So it looks like little Nikons are created equal after all 🙂

It would seem that the F100 is better than the F80 and the big daddy F4 and F5 are better than them all, of course there are compromises with any camera.

So as a humble F80 user should i spend some money on and F5 and live happily ever after? The size and weight are not an issue as I'm a big guy.

How do we go about testing lenses PKR?

The suggestion of using modern lenses with modern cameras and saving the Ai for the F3 make sense to ... thanks.

I do a couple of tests. One that's kind of controlled well and another, more real world - for lenses that are new to me.

For the controlled test. I use a large sheet of news paper with "all type" on the pages. I check the type to see that it's sharp and not smeared (you could use a lens test target). I light it with two flash heads, at 45 deg (this could be done outdoors in natural light). On a sheet of paper - I detail what I photograph - as I do it. At a fixed, repeatable distance - so the frame is filled with the type - and showing as much of the paper as possible - I carefully focus (using a hot light if necessary) on the type. I then begin at the max f stop - and with the mirror up and using a cable release or the self timer, I begin to go through the range of f stops. I place a small post-it note showing the lens and f stop info in the corner of the news paper, changing it with each f stop change (so I can see the lens and f stop info in each frame later). I usually use a fine grain film like Acros. I may also do all of this on a 14 MP digital camera that will work with all of my nikon system lenses. When I'm done I evaluate the results with high magnification on a light table (use the enlarger) or on a big monitor. I look at both the center and the corners. I recently found that a favorite zoom, that I've been using for several years has a sharpness problem in one corner. This is likely do to a mechanical impact it received - I have no idea when it happened. It's only seen in big enlargements. it will need repair.

Note: the camera is on a tripod for the "controlled" test.

A new or used lens when purchased is put through this test. After passing the first test, I do some real world testing with different kinds of light and with - and without hoods and filters, looking for sharpness, flare, contrast with color.. and to see if I like using the lens. I've found over the years that I will pick favorites if I have a choice. I, for instance almost never used my 17-35mm f 2.8 zoom. It was heavy, not as sharp as my primes and I didn't like the feel when holding it. On a tripod, the weight was such, that I thought it needed a lens fitted tripod mount as it was (I thought) a stress on the camera's lens mount. So, it stayed at home. I would grab a smaller zoom and maybe a 20mm prime.

With my current testing, and my personal issues with camera weight and batteries - and all the other gear i have to travel with - I'm using DX format digitals more.

Test your zooms. They are subject to greater damage from a bump than a prime. I favor the better (higher quality) plastic exterior Nikkor zooms. I think they take physical bumps better than the cheaper plastic models and are likely as good (physical strength) as the metal housings. And they are much lighter weight.

i hope this is helpful. I try to test my most used lenses (I use 3 or 4 a lot) regularly - at least once a year. I've found new in the box lenses to vary; some being much better than others. This may be a QC issue or more likely, damage done during shipping or poor storage.

When you find a good sharp lens, take care of it and hang on to it.
 
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It sure does help thanks very much.
I dropped my 50mm f1.8 onto the carpet from a low height and it rolled ok so no damage but i guess i had better check
 
bgb--size and weight ARE an issue!!!
The F5 is SIGNIFICANTLY heavier when you carry it around all day.
A very big difference, expecially when you have a big zoom attached.
Even those straps that are supposed to absorb the weight don't help.
I'd suggest you try both for a few hours before you decide.
While the N80 can't top the F5 in autofocus or matrix metering--I'd suggest you'd find the N80 more than adequate for most purposes. Of course---YMMV and all that.
Paul
 
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