Nikon reveals it's mirrorless '1' system

You hit the nail on the head there. Compacts are facing competition from cell phones with cameras. The small compacts are losing their edge in convenience so they have to offer something else. This offering from Nikon could offer a little step up over current compact point and shoots.


It's aimed at the average family photographer who wants a nice camera and thinks a DSLR is too large. Compared to the little compact they've been using for the last five years, the image quality should be a big leap forward.

Never mind that it will be a huge leap downward from a basic DSLR, the virtues of the smaller sensor will be seen as a benefit - more in focus shots, longer battery life, etc.

Unfortunately it seems to offer nothing for most experienced photographers.
 
A bit off topic, but has anyone else noticed that their promo video's song is blatantly ripping off Sufjan Stevens' song Chicago?
 
Frank is right. Olympus and nikon went after that market plus the Canon G10 and Panasonic lx5 market with a camera that could do the same but has interchangeable lenses... Someone who wanted more versatility and control but not wanting something as big as m43.

The picture on dpreview of the camera with the pancake lens is smaller than a lx5 and the kit lens on the body looks about same as lx5.

A m43 with kit lens maybe 35% bigger or in that general neighborhood.


Gary
 
Please explain the less DoF. My understanding is the smaller the sensor - combined with a matching lens (format diagonal for normal) gives an increased DoF over a larger format sensor/lens system. So if the sensor is smaller than 4/3 or other, wouldn't it produce a greater DoF for any larger lens/sensor model? Maybe I'm missing something?

I think you're mixed up. The larger the sensor, the more DOF you'll get.

Edit: nevermind, now I'm mixed up. Larger sensor = less DOF. I think the point the OP was making is that you don't have the choice of a shallow depth of field with the 1's little sensor.
 
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Tiny sensor, made worse with slow lenses. Sure, PDAF is nice, but this is a near-compact, and wide DoF makes that near irrelevant. Who are they expecting to sell it to? People who demand quality in a compact package are unlikely to be fooled, and those who are not discriminating are probably happy with their existing craptastic point and shoots.
 
Frank is right. Olympus and nikon went after that market plus the Canon G10 and Panasonic lx5 market with a camera that could do the same but has interchangeable lenses... Someone who wanted more versatility and control but not wanting something as big as m43.

The picture on dpreview of the camera with the pancake lens is smaller than a lx5 and the kit lens on the body looks about same as lx5.

A m43 with kit lens maybe 35% bigger or in that general neighborhood.


Gary

I'm a skeptical hippo about it being 35% smaller than m4/3... Look at these two dpreview pictures 'in the hand'

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Not to mention the Nikons kit zoom seems to be a lot larger than the new Panasonic 'X' kit zoom - which is literally a pancake:
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Interesting that their superzoom is a "power zoom" a la Panasonic X and the kit zoom is collapsible just like the Olympus kit zoom. I don't think the image quality hit compared to m43 would be worth it for me, but it's always good to have more options on the Size vs Quality spectrum. It should compare favorably to a GRD IV or an S100. I just wish Nikon had surprised everyone and joined the m43 group.

One problem is that a camera body can only get so small while still having a 3 inch screen and room for some controls.

I imagine this could be a lot of fun for videographers with plenty of c-mount lenses.
 
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Please explain the less DoF. My understanding is the smaller the sensor - combined with a matching lens (format diagonal for normal) gives an increased DoF over a larger format sensor/lens system. So if the sensor is smaller than 4/3 or other, wouldn't it produce a greater DoF for any larger lens/sensor model? Maybe I'm missing something?

He was talking about less DoF control, not less DoF. With a large sensor you have most DoF control because you can chose whether you want shallow or large DoF.
 
a half-hearted attempt to join the mirrorless fray. Nikon's too afraid to lose their amateur DSLR market.
 
wonder if "this is it from Nikon". they could bring larger sensor and more enthusiast oriented alternative in few years. take advantage of their venerable F-mount lenses.

discontinue D3100/5100 and replace it with NEX7 type of camera ?
 
wonder if "this is it from Nikon". they could bring larger sensor and more enthusiast oriented alternative in few years. take advantage of their venerable F-mount lenses.

discontinue D3100/5100 and replace it with NEX7 type of camera ?

I don't think so, it'd be again a completely different camera. This is it from Nikon. The only way forward will be more megapixels.
 
a half-hearted attempt to join the mirrorless fray. Nikon's too afraid to lose their amateur DSLR market.

Yeah I agree, I just hope canon doesn't do the same - being the last big company to join the mirrorless market (when they finally do) they could potentially blow it away...
 
Nice to see them build in an EVF, still amazes me how many "prosumer" cameras don't have this. Looks interesting, but the crop is probably a step too far.
 
meh.

the only thing that particularly interests me about this camera is its supposedly crazy-fast autofocus. i am quite happy with my Olympus E-P2 apart from its autofocus....
 
When the Pentax Q was presented I thought: Nice reference to the Pentax Auto 110. But this Nikon 1 know... Is it a citation of something other? Hmm... I don't get what Nikon wants to represent with that model.
 
wonder if "this is it from Nikon". they could bring larger sensor and more enthusiast oriented alternative in few years. take advantage of their venerable F-mount lenses.

My guess is that the successful companies will develop lenses for these smaller platforms and not rely primarily on funky big adapters and larger, heavier, lenses developed originally for larger, heavier cameras. Those that try to protect DSLR sales from the CEVIL onslaught are likely to be losers in time.

If you took every single DSLR buyer that falls into the typical "family shooter" variety and automatically considered them a CEVIL class camera natural fit (and most would be), surely that's a big enough market to justify built-to-fit lenses at various price and quality points including the high end?

A Nikon V1 or NEX-7 doesn't appeal to me much if the only way I can get decent glass (I like fast primes myself) from the maker is via their DSLR targeted lense line up and an adaptor. That said I'm not opposed to using legacy manual focus glass at all of the focus aids work really well. Anyway... the V1 doesn't do it for me, I won't go to a smaller sensor than the APS-C.

What I did find intriguing is how much video is playing a role in this camera (and the NEX 7 too). The darn thing can shoot 60fps.

With 60fps still images engaged I also envision a "bracket all" function arriving in firmware 1.01 that includes bracket EV, bracket aperture, bracket for HDR, bracket film emulation, bracket "facial expression", bracket "fingers behind kids head mode", bracket alternating pixels, bracket bored expression - all in one second with one press of the shutter release.
 
I've always disliked Nikon point and shoots and this is just another dull camera from a company that makes such good DSLR's. :confused:

Canon will be having a bit of a sn!gger at this I suspect!
 
I've always disliked Nikon point and shoots and this is just another dull camera from a company that makes such good DSLR's. :confused:

Canon will be having a bit of a sn!gger at this I suspect!

Yep, at least I hope they're laughing (not thinking - hey that's a good idea!)

Let us all take hands and pray for a digital QL17..
 
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