Nikon S2 Focus Patch

The S2 patch has held up better than the S3, at least that's been my experience.
A lot of the S3 patches have dimmed and are not usable but most of the S2s have held up pretty well.
It is possible a bit of cleaning would do it some good but it could have faded with time.
Your camera is over 60 years old.

Kiu
 
The manual inaccurately depicts the patch edges, but the depiction of the double image is accurate. If yours doesn't have that level of contrast then the mirror is either dirty or faded.
 
I talked with the company I bought it from about all this and they asked me to return it. They indicated they had spent a fair chunk of change to get DAG to go over the camera before they put it up for auction and if it wasn't perfect they would handle it and either get him to look at it again or give me a refund.

Something could have gone haywire between the time he worked on it and they time I received it...I'm not sure. I am sure it doesn't look up to snuff.
 
Probably for the best, as it's clear you aren't happy with it. I have an SP in great condition that I am very happy with but, like your S2, it has a weak patch. The RF is usable, but not close to as nice as the patch on my S2. I'm torn as to whether to keep it or let it go and try to find another with a stronger RF patch. I went through five S2 bodies until I found one that was just too good to let go. It's a keeper. If you otherwise like the S2, keep looking. I'm sure you'll find one that pleases you.
 
It's really in such good condition and the lens is probably second only to a new one. It's a shame the patch can't be "replaced" somehow. It's also a shame nothing was mentioned in the auction about the patch.
 
That sounds awfully sensitive. How these were used in a combat zone seems a mystery. It was mailed via UPS but packed to the hilt with paper and peanuts.
I have been using several Nikon RF cameras for decades and all in all I have had to adjust their rangefinders four times.
In one case it was after I had dropped my camera bag from a shoulder height (S3).
The two other cases were after the cameras had been shipped to me (two S2).
The fourth case was after a sudden downtilt of a naked camera body on the table (S2).

In the meantime I have adjusted two friends' Leicas RFs twice (M6 and M3) for some sudden and unexplained heavy misalignment at infinity. Both friends are climbers and used to take their Leicas (wrapped in several layers of clothes) in their backpacks.

One of those two friends got me rotflmao'ing with a message telling me that according to his M6 the moon wasn't at infinity any longer ! 😀

Given the amount of time anyone has to give to properly clean the RF halfmirror on a Nikon, this is fairly possible that DAG didn't dare to do it like it had to be. Most of the repairers are now overwhelmed with work and won't spend several hours of their time at cleaning an half-mirror trapped into a metal casting if they think that the camera is usable as it is. Hence the great interest of having some basic skills to maintain that kind of gear oneself.

If you don't like that S2, send it back to the seller. This is not a rare camera and you'll be able to find another one with an excellent RF patch.

You can try to remove the small square mask which is screwed over the RF window. Like this, there'll be more light entering the RF light path. It can help the RF patch to be more "punchy". Basically, that little square mask has no real purpose but for reducing the size of the RF patch (and without making it a RF patch with definite edges).
 
I do agree with Nicolas. I have three S2's. I never had to adjust their rangefinders.

Another point is that one should not compare an S2 with a Leica M3 or M2. M3s and M2s are much more sophisticated cameras. It is better to compare the S2 to the Leica IIIf. Then it has advantages.

Erik.
 
Thanks everyone - this has been a typical and extremely useful RFF thread. I've found it most helpful b/c I recently acquired an S2 and the rangefinder patch isn't as clear as on my SP. Following Jon's advice and can see a major reason is the haze on the diagonal side of the prism - I'm just not ready to try digging in that far as I assume that besides the front panel, the top has to come off to access the prism. Anyway I did remove the mask as suggested above, and it helps some.
Thanks again
David
 
I suppose one question to myself is how, if that be the case, did the patch become faded or faint. I have some Leica M cameras that are just as old and they have about a perfect a patch as it gets.
 
The envy of all the other S2's

The envy of all the other S2's

If that's the S2 you bought, it is the envy of all the other S2 Nikons in RFF. Cosmetically it is a treat. If you want to let it go, let me know. If the curtains & film compartment match the exterior, it's a gem. --alfredian
 
I suppose one question to myself is how, if that be the case, did the patch become faded or faint. I have some Leica M cameras that are just as old and they have about a perfect a patch as it gets.
Your S2 has more than likely a dirty RF half-mirror. The diagonal rear surface of the half-mirror gets dirty on almost all the Nikon rangefinders due to some grease outgassing from the lens mount helical, the winding geartrain and the shutter speeds cams, all of those being very close to the RF half-mirror. Like explained above, the diagonal surface of the RF half-mirror is trapped inside a metal casting. That helps the critical optical surface to get dirty.

As far as this optical surface hasn't been cleaned like Jonmanjiro told you to do it or have it done, you can't know the actual condition of the whole RF unit.

I have seen dozens of Leica M3 with totally blank viewfinders because of a lethal prism separation, which isn't fixable unless you have somebody at CRR Luton re-do the prism for you, or replace it with a new M6 one.
 
If that's the S2 you bought, it is the envy of all the other S2 Nikons in RFF. Cosmetically it is a treat. If you want to let it go, let me know. If the curtains & film compartment match the exterior, it's a gem. --alfredian

The pictures I showed is the one I bought. The film compartment looks clean and the curtain looks as new. My one gripe mostly was the patch.
 
My one gripe mostly was the patch.
Still we can have no idea of how your patch is since you seem to expect the same thing as what you see in your Leica M finders.

There is something you should try, it's 100% reversible and you need a bit of black tape, or a black sharpie only :

http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/index-165.html

When done, if you see a huge improvement within the patch (brightness, contrast), then your problem is with the main prism (in the main VF) which suffers from desilvering. Do you see some black spots in that VF or "golden droplets" at its periphery when you closely look at the VF window from the front of the camera ?

If, when done, there is no really very visible improvement within the patch, then you've got an S2 on which the diagonal surface of the RF half-mirror has to be cleaned.
 
I can't perform those checks until it's sent back from the seller and depending on what they do with it...if anything. I don't recall seeing any black spots in the VF, however.
 
Due to how the Nikon S2 prism was made (cemented with Canada balsam and half-mirror surfaces layered with gold not silver or platinum) the "desilvering" of the main prism starts from the edges (hence the "golden droplets" which can be seen at the main VT periphery once looked at from the front of the camera) and doesn't cause any global fading of the VF image, unlike what happens with the Nikon S3 viewfinder.

All in all the Nikon S2 VF prism holds very well over time, and frankly better than the Leica M3 one, prone to sudden blindness due to instant and total separation of the two parts of the prism.

In your case the culprit is very likely the small RF half-mirror, which more than probably has either a dirty or a corroded rear diagonal surface.
 
The place I bought it from has sent it back to DAG since it was still under his warranty. Hope to hear something next week one way or the other. I'm hoping it's an easy fix. I talked with them over the phone and reiterated our conversation via a note I stuck in the package.
 
A question about cleaning the prism (as shown by Jon) - checking its condition as suggested above, mine is very hazy. So do you have to take the top plate off to ckean the prism 45 diagonal? I took of the front plate bit was unable to get cleaning tissue more than 2 mm behind the diagonal prism surface.
TIA
David
 
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