No love for my black M7...

How many M8 have leica made? Are any sitting on dealers shelves? If they were like rabbits then they might impact prices. Some (more non photog) people will buy them because they are expensive dig cameras, for snaps.

Wait 12m for immediate effect, 30 years for collectors positions to be clear, e.g. M5s. I know my early m4-2 is not going to be collected, 25 years...

noel
 
akptc said:
Mike, I've had similar offers though nothing that low and had happily "resigned" myself to keeping the M7. Of course, the two offers I received today on this thread are great and one of them nothing short of amazing, so the M7 just may be going places. I'd say have patience, sooner or later a buyer will come along.
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I pull this thread out so I would not mind having the high priority! 😀 check my pictures also, I need camera to take pictures 😀 😀
 
I would like to low ball every seller out there with hopes of coming across a seller that just doesn't care or is stupid enough to do it...

Hey, if you're asking for "best offers" then better be prepared to sift thru all of them and don't complain.
 
ywenz said:
I would like to low ball every seller out there with hopes of coming across a seller that just doesn't care or is stupid enough to do it...

Hey, if you're asking for "best offers" then better be prepared to sift thru all of them and don't complain.
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Here is a good example of the attitude I find, well, unfortunate. On this forum, it's my hope that buyers and sellers might come together on more mutually considerate and respectful terms - RFF isn't eBay. Apparently I'm wrong, if ywenz is the norm.

Any piece of gear should command a fair price. Asking and offering a fair price is a sign of respect between seller and buyer. Offering an unfair price is either an insult to the informed or an attempt to take advantage of the uninformed. The former is rude and the latter is unethical. And what's so wrong with respect and ethical behavior ...
 
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MC: Just throw a price out there that you think is fair. I hate bidding wars.. that's what I'm saying. There is NO ethical standards when it comes to selling/buying tactics. It's a dog-eat-dog world and you must be an informed seller/buyer. If you saw a Leica M6 for sale at an idiot's garage sale for $50, would you offer to pay him the market value for it?

If you received two offers for your item. Offer A was fair, offer B was MORE than fair, which buyer would you sell the item to? Let's get real now..

This is the format I don't like: Each buyer has a max price in mind when he's shopping but would love to pay less than the max price. So I would not want to pay you $2000 if I can get you to sell it for $1800. However, I know that other people might bid $2000 on it, in which case I would lose out on the sale. So for a buyer, there's always a level of uncertainty that we won't place the winning bid. The other scenario is that everyone placed bids of less than $1800 and I being over cautious placed a bid of $2000, which was more than what was needed.
 
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Market value is Ebay value (sadly at times).

For example; I know, before I go and sell something, I usually do a few things: 1) I try to determine the best condition of the item. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong - the last couple sales I made here I was apparently wrong (although I couldn't determine my errors prior to selling).
2) I go to Ebay and do a search for the item in the "sold" section and find out what the average price is that the item is being sold for. Depending on the condition of my item; knowing that I did actually USE the item AND knowing that I don't like to "rip people off" I offer it at; in my mind, a very fair price.

Now, will someone buy it at that price? I have yet to have any of my sales linger for longer than; say, 2 days here.

If you're a good and fair seller and a good and fair buyer; you do your due diligence before entering into your transaction. Market value is just ONE thing that you must take into consideration in determining price. Another is postage/shipping. Yet another is taxes and duty (if any). To me, I'm willing to pay a bit more for a local item than a non-local one merely because I get to "see and touch and avoid the taxman".


And I paid a LOT more than $1500 for my M7 and if someone is foolish enough to sell an M7 for that price that is in mint condition; they must have money growing on a tree in their yard 😀

Dave
 
dcsang said:
And I paid a LOT more than $1500 for my M7 and if someone is foolish enough to sell an M7 for that price that is in mint condition; they must have money growing on a tree in their yard :
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Say it's a very large tree, and that person will sell the M7 for $500, would you feel unethical to buy it?
 
ywenz said:
Say it's a very large tree, and that person will sell the M7 for $500, would you feel unethical to buy it?
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Would I feel unethical buying it?
No.. why should I. But I would definitely think that the person has a screw loose or has nothing better to do with their funds.

As I said, sellers and buyers both should do their due diligence before going into this whole buyer/seller thing.


Dave
 
kevin m said:
So what's wrong with the Zeiss Ikon...your pics don't seem to suffer for using it. 😕
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To tell you the truth I really need two cameras, expecialy when I go on trip outside of the country, not to mention having two different films in the or having wide angle or normal option, I will use my zeiss ikon as I used before trust me 🙂
 
ywenz said:
MC: There is NO ethical standards when it comes to selling/buying tactics.
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On your presumption, I differ. And actually there is no point to debate any further. Without ethics you're free to do what you will. Shake the tree and buy the M6 ...
 
ywenz said:
Hey, if you're asking for "best offers" then better be prepared to sift thru all of them and don't complain.
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What about when you don't ask for "best offers" and you still get ridiculous low balls? It seems no matter how low you price something, you're going to get low ballers, even when you don't put "OBO" in your ad. Its pretty annoying.
 
kyle said:
What about when you don't ask for "best offers" and you still get ridiculous low balls? It seems no matter how low you price something, you're going to get low ballers, even when you don't put "OBO" in your ad. Its pretty annoying.
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Agreed.

I recently (last month) listed an excellent condition Sony Wega 27" flat screen CRT television on my local Craig's List for a very reasonable $225 (television is 5 years old; current models sell for $375 + tax - I had purchased this one for $900 before LCD/Plasma had come WAY down in price).

It worked fine; colour and tube was fine etc. and my only reason for selling it was because I bought a new LCD television.

Well, didn't I get figures like "I'll take it off your hands for $100" and even "I'll give you $75 for it".

People have no scruples; but as a seller, I felt I had done my research and priced my item competitively and as such it sold, the same day, for the price I asked for it.

Sellers have to be able to understand that they're NOT going to get the same price they paid for an item if it was purchased brand new unless it's a collectors piece (like some of the wacky LHSA stuff or such). Some gear will drop a lot more in price than other gear (Voigtlander vs Leica) and how often you use it comes into play as well.

The onus should not only be on the buyer to offer a reasonable offer but on the seller to price their item reasonably and to be allowed to tell the potential buyer to "go to h-e-double hockey sticks" should they feel that they're being low balled.

Dave
 
M7 $$

M7 $$

i think used M7 prices are starting to come down. i just saw one on pnet go for $1750 shipping included, and have followed a few on Ebay that sold in the $1650-1750 range.

i will probably buy another M7 when the prices hit $1500 or so.

such a great camera!

kevin

edit: i own a .58 and it is really great for 35mm. i do suggest the 1.25X magnifier if you shoot a lot of 50mm stuff, helps a lot.
 
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