BillP
Rangefinder General
wintoid said:
An excellent point.
In fact, a bit like Leitz... My IID is actually a 1930 Model I that was factory upgraded 4 years later. In this day and age, when so much acreage is being devoted to writing about recycling, this is a step in the right direction. Those who have paid £'000's for their M8 should be pleased to learn that it can not only be updated, but given a new 2 year warranty.
Regards,
Bill
Tony Rose
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Nigel Meaby
Well-known
"I take photos. No, I don't "do" something. Some only do film, some only do B&W, some only do HDR, some only do nudes, some only do children, some only do flowers and lots do lingerie. I take photos, not run a specialized cable channel."
WTF?? Even on the defensive in your own profile! Very revealing! I read a lot of the posts on this forum and time and again I see your attitude "shining" through! This should surely be a place for intelligent discussion betwwen adults. This nonsense all gets very boring.
WTF?? Even on the defensive in your own profile! Very revealing! I read a lot of the posts on this forum and time and again I see your attitude "shining" through! This should surely be a place for intelligent discussion betwwen adults. This nonsense all gets very boring.
BillP
Rangefinder General
sitemistic said:
Quieter?
Longer lasting/more robust?
Just exactly how much practical advantage does it confer in the real world to be able to use 1/8000 instead of 1/4000...? Didn't Minolta bring out the Dynax 9 or something with a 1/12000 top shutter speed? Surely everything since has not been as "good", by that token?
Regards,
Bill
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RML
Guest
wintoid said:
It does sound like an interesting concept, albeit an expensive one. Maybe Leica will come out with an A La Carte M8 system some day where you decide what your M8 will look like and which features it has. Sounds cool. And wallet crunching.
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RML
Guest
Tony Rose said:
Are you bringing pitch forks, tar and feathers, Tony?
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RML
Guest
sitemistic said:
Well, Leica got away with the extra sensitivity to IR in a way no-one expected to work. I think they can spin doctor a reduction in max shutter speed.
shenkerian
Established
sitemistic said:
I think they can get away with it if the mechanism's significantly quieter. I put up with a top speed of 1/1000 for that reason.
tomasis
Well-known
yay, shenkerian brought out the point of having quieter shutter.. higher numbers doesnt mean anything better
let's see how Iso perfomance improves up.
I didn't really expect M9 with different sensor that soon but updated m8 sounds more as a realistic guess, rumour. or a option from leica
we all read all possible complaints about digital stuffs but not analog (not being anal)
sitemistic, do you expect canon update their cameras instead? NOO, IF you look uppgrades between 10D to 40D. it is very small that it become embarassing
let's see how Iso perfomance improves up.
I didn't really expect M9 with different sensor that soon but updated m8 sounds more as a realistic guess, rumour. or a option from leica
we all read all possible complaints about digital stuffs but not analog (not being anal)
sitemistic, do you expect canon update their cameras instead? NOO, IF you look uppgrades between 10D to 40D. it is very small that it become embarassing
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Ben Z
Veteran
If this M8 upgrade program is legit I wonder why Tony Rose didn't know about it. Maybe the UK dealer got handed a load of bull by his local rep? I've heard reps utter some really tall tales to store owners
I'm not impressed with any of those reported upgrades enough that I'd pay a nickel for them. Sapphire screen? News flash: sapphire watch crystals do scratch, and moreover they chip and crack. A screen protector costs a few bucks, and has kept my M8 screen scratch-free. I'm not interested in a shutter with a slower top speed, unless it comes with a nearly-silent recocking motor or a manual lever, because that's mainly what makes the M8 louder than the M6. If they just put it in firmware that you could set the shutter to recock when you take your finger off the button, or by assigning one of the rear buttons to do it, that'd quieten down the shutter pretty nearly all the way.
Frankly unless they offer an upgrade to put an IR filter over the sensor so I can take off the filters from my lenses, I'm not putting another dime into my M8.
I'm not impressed with any of those reported upgrades enough that I'd pay a nickel for them. Sapphire screen? News flash: sapphire watch crystals do scratch, and moreover they chip and crack. A screen protector costs a few bucks, and has kept my M8 screen scratch-free. I'm not interested in a shutter with a slower top speed, unless it comes with a nearly-silent recocking motor or a manual lever, because that's mainly what makes the M8 louder than the M6. If they just put it in firmware that you could set the shutter to recock when you take your finger off the button, or by assigning one of the rear buttons to do it, that'd quieten down the shutter pretty nearly all the way.
Frankly unless they offer an upgrade to put an IR filter over the sensor so I can take off the filters from my lenses, I'm not putting another dime into my M8.
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photogdave
Shops local
I was vacuum shopping a couple of weeks ago with my girlfriend. She had seen the Dysons on TV and really wanted one.wintoid said:
We went to a local dealer (much like a small, service oriented camera store) that carried Dyson and other makes. The shop owner said he was really disappointed with Dyson and proceeded to show us how it didn't actually suck up any dirt, among other design faults.
We ended up walking out with a Miele - a way better vacuum for less money!
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
It shouldn't. The "noise" is from the recocking mechanism. The shutter release is actually pretty quiet.sitemistic said:
If they would have a way to retrofit a "lever" with which you can signal the camera when to recock the shutter at your discretion, I'd have it done.
And 1/8000 sec. when shooting at ISO 160 if you have an aperture of f/1.4 or larger, well, those of us who actually encounter those situations when shooting rather than hypothesizing the merits of the shutter speed, know how valuable the 1/8000 sec. speed is on bright, sunny days. Lots of those in many parts of the world.
Sparrow
Veteran
it’s Freudian i think; something to do with your dad, it got boring after a couple of chapters so i stopped reading it.rover said:
regards
Sparrow
Veteran
PS something to do with envy I think
nitrox1
Member
Tony Rose said:
Tony,
As a Firefighter and loyal customer, please apply defib pads and shock at 360 joules. Follow up with a round or two of epi. Shock again. I need you around.
John...
p.s. If true, I am glad to see that the M8 will be an upgradable platform in the future. I'm very happy with my M8
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
....endustry said:
Meow.
Meow.
amateriat
We're all light!
Well, I owned a pair of Minolta 9xi SLRs, the predecessor to the 9, and the first with that 1/12000-sec shutter. The big deal for me wasn't so much the max shutter speed itself, but the faster flash sync speed that almost always comes along for the ride with this spec (1/300-sec on the 9xi, if memory serves). The 1/4000-sec top shutter speed on my Hexars gets used with some regularity (using ISO 400 film much of the time will do that), and I appreciate the 1/125-sec flash sync speed it has as well.BillP said:
Whatever the deal is with the M8 "upgrade" program, real or bogus, a shutter speed "downgrade" somehow seems a tad hard to swallow.
Otherwise, I think we should step away from the desk, take a deep breath, take a walk, hit the local watering hole, wait for an official announcement (if any), and not sweat this one too much. It's really not worth getting on edge with each other about.
- Barrett
back alley
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i'm more of a dog person...
this camera surely does bring out the worst in people on forums but if i had the ready cash i would buy one as it's really the only game in town for an m mount digital rf.
and i have to admit to being very impressed with gabriel's use of it and the images he produces.
now, play nice and remember this is all about an INTERNET RUMOUR!
joe
this camera surely does bring out the worst in people on forums but if i had the ready cash i would buy one as it's really the only game in town for an m mount digital rf.
and i have to admit to being very impressed with gabriel's use of it and the images he produces.
now, play nice and remember this is all about an INTERNET RUMOUR!
joe
KoNickon
Nick Merritt
Whew! Let's take a chill pill here. The idea that the M8 is designed to be repeatedly upgradeable sounds like a bit of after-the-fact spin to me -- I'd believe it more if they marketed it this way from the start. I know that Leica has been doing this sort of thing for decades, but in the brave new digital world it sounds more like merely marketing a way to drop a whole new chunk of money into your already quite expensive camera.
(I've got no problems with Mercedeses. But at this point it seems like there are so many different models that the brand has gotten diluted.)
(I've got no problems with Mercedeses. But at this point it seems like there are so many different models that the brand has gotten diluted.)
Tuolumne
Veteran
back alley said:
Let us pause a moment to remember the R-D1s - still available new from Matsuiyastore on eBay.
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