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icebear said:
Obviously the long and winding road down to the latest technological advancements that marketing is eager to convince you is a "must have" will only lose it's attraction once you develop a vision. A personal way of seeing the light.

Then you will realize that you can do it with any camera simple enough that you are in command and not the menu some designer overloaded with features no one needs after the feature count has been done and the reviews have been written. Unless printing for billboards or insanely cropped fashion details in double page spreads, no one needs 60MP. Nice to have, sure, gives you some leeway to get sloppy.

The results I can get with my 5 year old digital camera with a measly 18MP are stunning.
And if everything comes together in a great image, then it was me taking the picture, not the camera.
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IB, the only time I saw anyone use a 60mp camera (Phase One back on a Hasselblad) was when the client (IBM) asked for it. The photo involved a studio full of IBM rack mounted computers. I have no idea what was done with the files. The photographer was like most of us.. whatever the client wants. I hope they pay me on time. And, the Phase One was a rental.
 
One of my pet peeves about technology is how we are forced to relearn processes over and over again just to accomplish the same end results. Every improvement requires a new learning curve. Eventually we spend more time learning how to use the technology than we do using it for our original intended purpose.

I have too many cameras. Only one of them is a current model and it's not "new". It just hasn't been updated recently. No matter--I'm not really interested. More megapixels, better processors, increased dynamic range...none of that would really make much difference in the type of photographs I'm interested in taking.
 
I was tired after a shot year back, took the angle finder off my D3 and did not replace the round eyepiece. A water bottle not fully sealed was put into the camp bag. Worst case happened, new model of D3, called D3-h2o. Two places could not repair.

Last week I got a replacement D3 , close to mint and 1800 clicks.

Every time I buy a new one, the learning curve is long, where is this or that and hard to find in the instruction book. Nikon is bad, Leica is worse.

If you could work a M3, you could work a M6 without reading 400 page book.

My photos from a D3 make prints any size I need, the camera built like a tank unlike newer ones. And I do have the 36MP models-yawn.

I have way too many cameras anyway and can not remember how they all work. I put the camera on M, and take pics. Rest is waste of money to me. I own all the AiS or Ai lenses anyone could want. How long will the new AF glass last me?

Leica glass is manual focus, cameras still have a ss dial and F stop on the lens. They will run until the battery can not be replaced.

So you think digital is cheaper. Yes if do many pics per day. No if you do a roll a week. Buy film.
 
I have had 3 DSLRs, and I bought them from the same maker thinking the learning curve wouldn't be great. I was wrong just about everything was different. Finally, I thought you only have three things to make an exposure: ISO, Shutter Speed, Aperture. So why am I messing around with the manual every time I take out the camera.

I'm with you Bill.
 
PKR said:
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I'll trust you're correct as per a sampling algorithm, not physical sites.. But, I think you got my point re marketing cameras .. the mp race.. no?

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/camera-sensors.htm

pkr
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There are several different sampling algorithms in use, that site shows a typical one using a 2x2 matrix, and overlapping the matrices. The work I did in this area (a long time ago indeed) worked on a 3x3 matrix with overlapping convolutions. 2x2 would be speedier ... It would not surprise me if that were chosen to enhance speed at some other expense. All these things are trade offs.

But your story seemed to relate that the number of pixels was greater than the number of photo sites, where the opposite is certainly true in all instances, with all algorithms I'm aware of.

G
 
You guys complaining about complexity all need a Leica M-D typ 262.
  • The only configuration settings it has are to set the time and date for the EXIF data.
  • All other controls either set the exposure parameters (focusing ring, ISO dial, aperture ring, shutter dial) or the drive mode (switch around the shutter release: off, single, continuous, and self timer).
  • Only DNG raw files, so no image processing settings or LCD settings.
  • A button to tell you how much battery you have left and how many exposures you've got left before storage runs out on the card. Same button in combination with a thumb dial allows you to set EV compensation if you choose to.
  • The shutter release, with half-press ability to lock an exposure reading on your selected target.
That's it. I love this camera. :)

G

edited: Oh yeah, it has the standard M viewfinder frame selector lever.
 
charjohncarter said:
I have had 3 DSLRs, and I bought them from the same maker thinking the learning curve wouldn't be great. I was wrong just about everything was different. Finally, I thought you only have three things to make an exposure: ISO, Shutter Speed, Aperture. So why am I messing around with the manual every time I take out the camera.
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For the Fuji XPro2 and XT2, and Leica M10, you can set aperture, shutter speed, and ISO without fooling with the menus. I have the XE2 and the XT2 and never have to futz with the menus. Set them up once when I got them, and haven't needed to change the settings.
 
ptpdprinter said:
For the Fuji XPro2 and XT2, and Leica M10, you can set aperture, shutter speed, and ISO without fooling with the menus. I have the XE2 and the XT2 and never have to futz with the menus. Set them up once when I got them, and haven't needed to change the settings.
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Glad somebody is thinking like a photographer.
 
I shoot film for some things and digital for other things. In the film experience, I don't need any new features. I am happy there. But in terms of digital, I know years can go by when it feels like nothing substantive has been added, yet if I have to go back to a 4 year old camera, the features that are missing do make a very big difference in my workflow. Things like larger EVFs, better autofocus, wifi connectivity, autofocus that detects eyeballs -- they have helped me advance my photography and helped me get shots for sure that in the past I could get if I was lucky. Having certainty replace luck is definitely not romantic in nature, but it certainly has resulted in more good frames -- and better business outcomes.
 
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