tomasis
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28 summilux is lovely idea! 
price would be likely higher than 35mm asph? due more complicated optical design of 28mm?
price would be likely higher than 35mm asph? due more complicated optical design of 28mm?tomasis
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BigSteveG
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"Well no matter how you look at it, Leica "build quality" is much higher now than during the end of the Canadian era."
Webmaster, funny you should mention that. I've heard similar comments from others. I own a Canadian 75 'lux (V2)and find the build quality every bit as good as my German-made 35 'lux and 50 'lux. From what I understand the canadian lenses were built to the same specs and there shouldn't be any difference. Now the M6/TTL was assembled or had parts made in some country other than Germany. My own TTL was a very nice camera (I got rid of it after purchasing an M2 which proved how great the M camera really can be.) The M2 pushed me into buying an MP. I know have all the Leica gear I want or need. Not to say I wouldn't pick up something on the cheap.
Webmaster, funny you should mention that. I've heard similar comments from others. I own a Canadian 75 'lux (V2)and find the build quality every bit as good as my German-made 35 'lux and 50 'lux. From what I understand the canadian lenses were built to the same specs and there shouldn't be any difference. Now the M6/TTL was assembled or had parts made in some country other than Germany. My own TTL was a very nice camera (I got rid of it after purchasing an M2 which proved how great the M camera really can be.) The M2 pushed me into buying an MP. I know have all the Leica gear I want or need. Not to say I wouldn't pick up something on the cheap.
KoNickon
Nick Merritt
Substantiation?
On the web?
Roger, I know, what was I thinking? But I did see these things referred to with some certainty in this thread (and no one questioning them), so I figured there might be some truth to it.
On the web?
Roger, I know, what was I thinking? But I did see these things referred to with some certainty in this thread (and no one questioning them), so I figured there might be some truth to it.
kevin m
Veteran
Sean Reid of "Reid Reviews" runs a subscription site doing what you say is impossible: comparing lenses on the web. (among other things) Does quite a nice job of it, too. I don't know if he exists in the "real world" but his internet efforts are admirable.
I haven't been comparing the Canon to the Noctilux, BTW, only the Summilux. But if you want to compare wide-open weirdness, then I think the lower contrast and resolution of the Canon stacks up reasonably well against the swirly bokeh and Holga-dark corners of the Notcilux. Pick your poison.
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BigSteveG
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"Purely as a matter of interest, why do you believe this? I'm not saying you're wrong; just that I'd be interested in the thinking behind the assertion, which I had not hitherto encountered."
Roger,
Leica is already showing they will not be able to maintain quality in a cost effective and profitable manner. A big part of the quality is in the build of the gear. Zeiss makes fine optics. The build is not on par w/ traditional Leica gear. It is on par with the new line of Leica lenses. The vast majority of Leica equipment is sold in the secondary market and Leica sees no revenues from this activity. Professionals have long abandoned Leica in favor of newer, more convenient technology. So there really is no market there. It does not make sense that they will continue to produce lenses w/ price tags of > $3k (and ever rising) on any kind of a cost effective scale because not enough people can or are willing to shell out the money for new equipment. Today, the Leica is used primarily by "Art" photographers and well heeled enthusiasts. Or those enthusiastic enough to get by on bread and water while saving for the precious gear.
Roger,
Leica is already showing they will not be able to maintain quality in a cost effective and profitable manner. A big part of the quality is in the build of the gear. Zeiss makes fine optics. The build is not on par w/ traditional Leica gear. It is on par with the new line of Leica lenses. The vast majority of Leica equipment is sold in the secondary market and Leica sees no revenues from this activity. Professionals have long abandoned Leica in favor of newer, more convenient technology. So there really is no market there. It does not make sense that they will continue to produce lenses w/ price tags of > $3k (and ever rising) on any kind of a cost effective scale because not enough people can or are willing to shell out the money for new equipment. Today, the Leica is used primarily by "Art" photographers and well heeled enthusiasts. Or those enthusiastic enough to get by on bread and water while saving for the precious gear.
BigSteveG
Well-known
Also, in some cases, Leica's own German product is suspect. I played w/ a late 50 Elmar this past weekend. I found that extending the lens was clumsy and far from smooth. I had, at one time, a VC 50mm 2.0 Heliar that was far superior in build, at least to the Elmar I examined.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Dear Kevin,
For the former, see my post 135.
For the latter, fair enough. As you say, pick your poison. I've only ever taken a couple of pics with friends' 50mm Summiluxes, and have never wanted one. But then, until I got the C-Sonnar, I didn't use 50s all that much anyway; at least, not compared with 35mm. May favourite until then probably was the Noctilux, in fact.
'Swirly bokeh'? Well, as Ctein has pointed out, some people seem much more sensitive to bokeh than others. He and I seem to be less sensitive than some; I only notice really nasty bokeh, like a Thambar with the centre spot in. I'm not even sure what 'swirly bokeh' is -- though I do suspect that bokeh is probably one of those things that can be adequately illustrated on the web.
Cheers,
R.
Leicabug
Established
Although I'd like to see a new .95 Noctilux coming, I doubt it will ever materialize. It doesn't make any economical sense for Leica to design and produce a new version of Noctilux. A limited edition makes even less sense. Unless Dr. K has other ideas.
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
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Pherdinand
the snow must go on
The 645 rangefinder idea was mine, and, obviously, it was a total BS just to splash the water a bit. Alas, you are the only one who nitoced it, although i am sure it is just as much founded as the other two ideas.