payasam
a.k.a. Mukul Dube
Over the years I have photographed many bearded people. Salt and pepper beards test resolving power about as much as clean and shiny dark ones do. White ones, however, are a disaster, photographically speaking, in most lighting. Because light bounces about between the hairs, what I get in the picture is a white without texture. I wonder what has been the experience of other members.
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
Reduce your developing time 20%, that should hold the highlights. You'll probably need to give an extra stop of exposure to prevent loss of shadow detail from the reduced development, but the neg will have less contrast and the bright whites will print better.
dazedgonebye
Veteran
Ask Pitxu ......
crawdiddy
qu'est-ce que c'est?
Al Kaplan
Veteran
It's not just beard hair! White or light grey head hair does the same, as does light blonde hair, so be glad that you live in India and not northern Europe! Going to a lower contrast will put some tone in the hair as Chris suggests but still won't define the hairs. I prefer burning in the whites through a higher contrast filter. Sometimes just exposing the entire picture through your highest contrast filter for a few seconds after your first exposure through a mid range filter will do it, no burning or dodging, but it intensifies the shadow side of the hairs.
Having some side light in the original exposure helps by putting specular highlights on the hairs
Having some side light in the original exposure helps by putting specular highlights on the hairs
JoeV
Thin Air, Bright Sun
Hmm, "Good Beard/Bad Beard" sounds slightly suggestive, like "Truth or Dare."
Funny that no one mentioned the option of Grecian Formula for Men for the problem of white beards. Is this why Santa Claus looks like he's wearing cotton on his face - the hairs can't be resolved? Oh, wait, maybe that IS cotton on his face. You mean Santa Claus isn't real?
~Joe
Funny that no one mentioned the option of Grecian Formula for Men for the problem of white beards. Is this why Santa Claus looks like he's wearing cotton on his face - the hairs can't be resolved? Oh, wait, maybe that IS cotton on his face. You mean Santa Claus isn't real?
~Joe
Tuolumne
Veteran
Pitxu, keep the beard!
/T
/T
dazedgonebye
Veteran
Ha!
I knew the authority on the subject would surface!
I knew the authority on the subject would surface!
Dave Wilkinson
Veteran
I'm surprised that Roger Hicks has'nt turned up yet!Ha!
I knew the authority on the subject would surface!
Al Kaplan
Veteran
Mukul, maybe you friend in Vero Beach and I will discover that the real secret to good beard photography is Eastman 5222?
Dave Wilkinson
Veteran
How much do you charge for haunting houses?
Matt(1pt4)
Established
Reduce your developing time 20%, that should hold the highlights. You'll probably need to give an extra stop of exposure to prevent loss of shadow detail from the reduced development, but the neg will have less contrast and the bright whites will print better.
Would you believe that I've had better luck going the other way? I know it's counter-intuitive, but when I know I need detail in the highlights, I usually give film a one stop push. When exposing, I meter off the highlights, and let the shadows fall where they may. For portraits, I think this works particularly well. A compensating developer like dilute rodinal or even something like xtol that gives the shadows a little bump helps.
I got the idea from reading this:
http://unblinkingeye.com/Articles/Mortensen/mortensen.html
The under exposure moves the highlights down off the shoulder of the neg, leaving you with better separation in the upper values. You get thin shadows, but in many situations, the shadows are pictorially interesting anyway.
payasam
a.k.a. Mukul Dube
Christopher, what you suggest is the approach usually taken with white wedding dresses. It works, but I cannot use it for two reasons: one, each roll generally has pictures of different kinds; and two, the C-41 I use exclusively is processed at pretty dumb labs.
While I defer to the expertise of Pitxu, I'm not entirely ignorant. The attached photo was taken by Sean Moran, RFF member, on his last visit to India. M3 with Summicron 50, I think. Other details not known. Incidentally, it illustrates what Al said about side lighting and specular highlights.
While I defer to the expertise of Pitxu, I'm not entirely ignorant. The attached photo was taken by Sean Moran, RFF member, on his last visit to India. M3 with Summicron 50, I think. Other details not known. Incidentally, it illustrates what Al said about side lighting and specular highlights.
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kshapero
South Florida Man

Wife didn't catch it all but that was shot about four yrs ago, so it is probably longer now.
Monz
Monz
Ducky
Well-known
Al Kaplan
Veteran
OK guys, now that we've all discussed beards let's make 2009 the year for growing dreadlocks! Pass the ganga, please.
John Lawrence
Well-known
OK guys, now that we've all discussed beards let's make 2009 the year for growing dreadlocks! Pass the ganga, please.
Hey Al, that's a bit tough on those of us who are "follically challenged"!
Al Kaplan
Veteran
Here in Miami I've seen a few guys with "Male Pattern Baldness" who still manage to get a decent growth of 'dreads on the sides and rear. If you wear one of those oversized knit caps to stuff your dreads in you can arrange the pile to make it look like you have hair growing on top too. What most of us uptight Americans don't want to admit to is that ganga contains hormone like chemicals that tend to prevent male pattern baldness. Now PULEEEEZE pass that spliff, John. I have an image to maintain!
iamzip
Ambitious, but rubbish
How much do you charge for haunting houses?![]()
Or to rent yourself out as John Brown?
p.s. I like your glasses in this one.
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