OK you got yours ... now where's ours?

[Keith]

It seems that the rangefinder user minority has been catered for finally which says a lot about the power of whinging ... they now have their compact full frame digital rangefinder and good luck to them.

But what about us ... the SLR users ... when do we get our go?

To get a full frame DSLR I have to buy a monstrocity of a camera that looks more like a cut down PC that's been painted black! I want something about the size of an OM-1 or Nikon F with manual focus and I don't give a damn if it can't shoot eight frames per second. I'd like to be able to set the ISO and shutter speed with a simple twist of a dial and not have to dive into some menu ... or have to hold down button X while I rotate dial Y attempting to still maintain a grip on the camera.

I also don't want a sh!tty litle micro 4/3 with a crop factor of two or so that produces images that can't really seem to decide whether they are square, landscape, or somewhere in between. I also don't want an overpriced point and shoot with a five minute shutter delay and more noise than a teen party at ISO settings above 400!

Come on guys (canikon)... Leica has shown the lead here in sticking their neck out ... give us a small uncomplicated full frame DSLR we can actually use!

🙂

 

[Dave Wilkinson]

You're rattling a few cages today Keith!...must be nearly bedtime - down there? 😀

 

[Mark Wood]

Sony seem to be getting the right idea, having declared that "Live View" and "Video" modes are "Entry Level Features."

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.u...evel_feature_says_Sony_Chief_news_288932.html

A (very small) step in the right direction.

 

[Keith]

You're rattling a few cages today Keith!...must be nearly bedtime - down there? 😀

It's been a boring day ... just finished an eight day stint in the city yesterday but no work today! 😱

I did finally manage to get my Hasselblad system together and I'm ready to take photos ... that thing makes some sound when you press the shutter! 😱 😀

 

[Sparrow]

a full frame d70 would be nice, that way the meter switches off with my old lenses too … perfect

 

[Dave Wilkinson]

It's been a boring day ... just finished an eight day stint in the city yesterday but no work today! 😱

I did finally manage to get my Hasselblad system together and I'm ready to take photos ... that thing makes some sound when you press the shutter! 😱 😀

If you put all that antique stuff in a big box, and take it for trade-in......you're halfway to Leica's new Fed 3 copy!😀

 

[kshapero]

Sony seem to be getting the right idea, having declared that "Live View" and "Video" modes are "Entry Level Features."

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.u...evel_feature_says_Sony_Chief_news_288932.html

A (very small) step in the right direction.

I am sorry that is in the exact wrong direction. Read Keith's intial post. We want the equvilant of a FF Digital Om-1 or Nikon FM with NO frills. Video and live view are frills if I get Keith right.

 

[ruby.monkey]

All you need is a Nikon F, a Digital Module R, and a big enough hammer... 😉

 

[ZeissFan]

When I want full frame, I just use a film camera. No chromatic aberration. No crop factor. No shutter lag. I get a "live view" -- it's called the viewfinder. No idiotic scene modes.

I just don't have instant gratification. If I wanted that ... oh, never mind.

Win some, lose some.

Personally, I'm tired to chasing the digital holy grail. Too much of my money has been spent on digital cameras that underwhelm. However, they do seem to work well for photographing my real cameras.

 

[ZeissFan]

I am sorry that is in the exact wrong direction. Read Keith's intial post. We want the equvilant of a FF Digital Om-1 or Nikon FM with NO frills. Video and live view are frills if I get Keith right.

What the article says is that Sony's most recent camera -- a full-frame dSLR doesn't have video or Live View, as the company sees those as entry level features.

Sony is on the right track -- the body just needs to be smaller. We're tired of having to buy a tank when a subcompact will do just as well.

 

[Sparrow]

My OM1 has "live view" all the way back in 1973

 

[squirrel$$$bandit]

I kinda like my crop sensor DSLR, as it extends my tele lenses, and I don't think I really want a FF DSLR. But I'd like to think that Leica's innovation will spur the manufacturers to action.

 

[Keith]

Even the small DSLR's are a joke ... I was wandering around at a job the other day taking a few pics with my OM-2 and the very pleasant woman who was managing the project I was helping my friend Adrian with spotted my Oly. She was taking pics for the Brisbane City Council's project blog with a D40 which she handed to me while she had a look at the OM-2. I looked through the viewfinder of the D40 and was shocked ... it was a dark little tunnel and the camera itself had more buttons than you could poke a stick at. Admittedly the viewfinder of an OM is pretty darned good but this Nikon was horrible ... when she looked through the beautiful bright viewfinder of the Olympus, I saw the surprise on her face! 😛

 

[Kin Lau]

The Canon 5D, Nikon D700, Sony A900 and A850 don't come with a grip, and they're not any larger than a film slr.

 

[chris91387]

i want a DSLR that's the size and simplicity of my Nikon FM. manual focus; iso dial...hell, call it "asa" just for fun; no menus to have to sift through; 60/40 meter with maybe a spot option; mirror lockup might be cool; easy to read with minimal info presented in the viewfinder.

 

[kshapero]

The Canon 5D, Nikon D700, Sony A900 and A850 don't come with a grip, and they're not any larger than a film slr.

By Film SLR, you must be referring to the monster Nikon F5, not an OM-1 or a Nikon FM or a Pentax MX.

 

[Mark Wood]

What the article says is that Sony's most recent camera -- a full-frame dSLR doesn't have video or Live View, as the company sees those as entry level features.

Sony is on the right track -- the body just needs to be smaller. We're tired of having to buy a tank when a subcompact will do just as well.

I thought I'd read and interpreted the article properly!!!

 

[Mark Wood]

I am sorry that is in the exact wrong direction. Read Keith's intial post. We want the equvilant of a FF Digital Om-1 or Nikon FM with NO frills. Video and live view are frills if I get Keith right.

Err, I did read Keith's post and the AP article! Sony are saying that these frills are for "entry level users" as partial justification for missing them off their new full frame SLR.

 

[jarski]

been waiting a while Nikon to expand use of FF-sensors to next category after D700, namely successor of D90. I had same sized D200 (vs. D700) earlier, and its just too large and heavy for me, so am awaiting lighter alternative to use my old Nikkor primes on FF.

Canons recent launch of 7D as APS-C camera does not promise good, if its a wider tend that Nikon also follows.

 

[gnarayan]

Come on guys (canikon)... Leica has shown the lead here in sticking their neck out ... give us a small uncomplicated full frame DSLR we can actually use!

Small would be great. Fullframe is great because I want the VF. I love my OMs.

But uncomplicated...

Leica has certainly taken the lead in producing $7k digital cameras that are exactly like their 50 year old film cameras and "uncomplicated". Good for the people who want that. I'm poor - I've no desire to spend that sort of money.

I can deal with buttons thanks very much. Give me features if that means you can sell more of them - I can turn them off and I like many of them on anyway. Give me small. Give me cheap. Not $7k. I can get a 5D for about 1K USD now and that is about as barebones as a DSLR gets but it is big. Cram it into an E400 size thing and you are halfway there.

Cheers,
-G.