Old 1951 Jupiter 8 with older name ring but newer housing.

[MarkWalberg]

1951 Contax with J8
The Jupiter 8 on this similarly aged Contax looks unusual to me in that it has the old first style name ring, but a later housing, type PT 3030 with no ears. Most in that housung have the newer Jupiter name ring. I'm no expert on these. Does this look original, or is it combined from several lenses?

 

[dexdog]

The 1951 Kiev looks legitimate, but the lens looks odd. I have never seen a ZK lens dated as late as 1951; the oldest ones I have seen date to 1950. My guess is that the lens is probably early 1950s Jupiter 8, such as the PT 3550, with a fake ZK name ring.

 

[Sonnar Brian]

The lens is a Jupiter-8M. Notice the linear F-Stop ring.

It makes me believe the camera is a fake as well.

 

[dexdog]

Looking at Soviet Cams, the Jupiter 8M lenses have a black nose, this one has a silver nose.

 

[Sonnar Brian]

The Name Ring is part of the nose.
The linear aperture ring- was used on the J-8M, not the internal mount J-8.

 

[dexdog]

I think that the lens in the first post looks like the 1952 lens in your second pic.

 

[Sonnar Brian]

The F-Stops are evenly spaced. The F-Stops of the real J-8 and ZK are not. The underlying mechanism is different.

 

[dexdog]

Sonnar B, thanks for the clarification! In any case, the ZK name ring on the lens is bogus.

 

[Mark240590]

Same seller had a “No Name Kiev” as per the Cambridge Camera advert.

Sold quickly. But I doubt its legitimacy because the most respected Soviet collectors haven’t seen one in the flesh as an 83 Kiev… I feel like Cambridge probably still had stock of the 60’s no name bodies and re-advertised. Then someone had a camera made to look like it.