xayraa33
rangefinder user and fancier
At first I thought because Joe has the Epson Rd's, he is saying this, then I remembered that this is no impediment for Joe.
I'd be very surprised if Oly comes out with a variation of the Photokina/PMA mockup if they don't bring out some sort of pancake prime(s)...that form factor doesn't make a lot of sense with a zoom (what's the point of a pocketable interchangeable lens camera if you have the take the lens off to pocket it?)
Plus, Oly has a history with pancakes, such as the OM 40/2, the 4/3 25mm and the 38/2.8 Pen F lenses.
Plus, Oly has a history with pancakes, such as the OM 40/2, the 4/3 25mm and the 38/2.8 Pen F lenses.
Trius
Waiting on Maitani
Let's hope for something less disappointing than the pancake 25.
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
When you have nothing to show, it makes sense to create anticipation, if only to keep people on the fence from buying the Panasonic.
I don't care if the Oly has a fake prism or not, as long as at least one of the models has the full G1 feature set plus image stabilization. Otherwise there is no reason to get an Oly for me...
Remember the Osborne II?
back alley
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if the oly turns out to be the drf that we all hope for, i'll be in line like everybody else.
the mystery for me is why folks dislike the g1 so much. it's really comfortable in the hand and small enough to carry forever. and it's so damn much fun!!!
joe
Avotius
Some guy
That little thing oly is showing will not be the drf everyone is hoping for simply because it is not an rf. It is a compact digital camera and does not pretend to be anything else.
Oh and for the record I sold my G1 off because of it's heavy handed adjustments to the raw images that did not fit into my workflow. I like that things like lens distortion and aberations were taken care of for me but the panasonic look was so baked into the raw's that it turned me off to the camera.
I too think it would be pointless to stick a big zoom lens on a pocket camera that requires removing the lens to be a pocket camera. Also I wonder how the panasonic lenses will get on with the oly bodies as pana is taking a "half and half" way of lenses with heavy in camera correction. Might see the true colors of these lenses on a oly body.
As for the new NX platform....pass, still too large to be a pocket camera.
Oh and for the record I sold my G1 off because of it's heavy handed adjustments to the raw images that did not fit into my workflow. I like that things like lens distortion and aberations were taken care of for me but the panasonic look was so baked into the raw's that it turned me off to the camera.
I too think it would be pointless to stick a big zoom lens on a pocket camera that requires removing the lens to be a pocket camera. Also I wonder how the panasonic lenses will get on with the oly bodies as pana is taking a "half and half" way of lenses with heavy in camera correction. Might see the true colors of these lenses on a oly body.
As for the new NX platform....pass, still too large to be a pocket camera.
gavinlg
Veteran
Crop factor isn't an issue with 4/3rds stuff because it already is full frame. They make their lenses for the sensor size, so in truth there's no disadvantages as there would be, say, adapting a nikon F mount lens to the 4/3rds system, where it's actual focal length doubles.
I've got my money on the Olympus being a way better camera than the samsung - olympus are optical perfectionists, and they're going out of their way to make the correlation in peoples heads between the original pen and the new m4/3rds pen... I'd say there will be definitely be some small and amazing prime lenses.
As food for thought, olympus actually has a patent on a 12mm 1.4 4/3rds lens. Why they haven't put it into production yet I'm not sure, although I've caught wind in a few of the recent interviews of a "lets make some high quality zoom and cover our bases for most users for our new system" attitude. In one of the latest interviews (i think on dpreview) they stated they have a list of zuiko digital prime lenses they are going to manufacture one by one.
lemalk
Rebel Without Applause
I feel exactly the same way as Back Alley - I always remember the Steve Jobs quote where he mentions that at car shows, the prototype always whets your appetite for its bold, aggressive design - and when it finally shows up as an actual product, it has been radically compromised.
"Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory," is what he called it, I believe.
I'm also excited about the form of the Oly compact... but my gut tells me the actual product will underdeliver... and my wallet will be better for it.
"Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory," is what he called it, I believe.
I'm also excited about the form of the Oly compact... but my gut tells me the actual product will underdeliver... and my wallet will be better for it.
taxi38
Taxi Driver
If they can stop it clipping highlights its a possibility,4:3 is a nice vertical format,if not its a DP2.To be honest its going to have to be pretty damn brilliant for me not to get the DP2,its heart feels analogue...........Neil.
Bobfrance
Over Exposed
nightfly
Well-known
If they do have a bunch of primes, they'd do well to release them all rather than dribble them out since I would assume the decision to keep producing the body is made by how well they sell initially. I'm sure a lot of purchasing decisions will be made by what lenses are available when it's released. In this economy I wouldn't bet on Olympus surviving long enough to wait for the lens I want but if I could get something in a 12mm -17mm prime when it's released, I might bite.
kdemas
Enjoy Life.
Joe,
I agree with you. I haven't had more fun with a camera than I have with the G1 in a very long time. I love my M8 and other cameras but I have been reaching for the G1 a lot lately.
For a first generation product I think Panasonic did a fantastic job.
Kent
I agree with you. I haven't had more fun with a camera than I have with the G1 in a very long time. I love my M8 and other cameras but I have been reaching for the G1 a lot lately.
For a first generation product I think Panasonic did a fantastic job.
Kent
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Bobfrance
Over Exposed
Certainly from my point of view; if I can get good/wide (& fairly small) primes I'll stay with the 4/3 system. If not I'll migrate to whatever system offers it.
This appears to be contradictory. On the one hand, you didn't like the 'heavy handed adjustments to the raw images' but on the other hand you liked the distortion and CA to be taken care of for you.
I'm curious what other heavy handed adjustment to the raw images is occurring.
Also, I'm curious what the 'Panasonic look' is. If you were presented with a series of photos taken by a range of different cameras, could you point out the ones taken with Panasonic?
I hope so too, but maybe they want to spread out the development costs a bit, considering the economy. I certainly am not in a position to snap up a bunch of lenses all at once.
back alley
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i wonder the same thing...
i am getting pretty good feedback on the good looking black & whites that i get from the g1.
and for the first time in a long time i am enjoying some colour images that are coming from the g1 as well.
i realize that you can't please everyone with one camera but the g1 seems harmless and fun to me.
joe
dazedgonebye
Veteran
Yes, yes...I've heard that before. 4/3rds is already full frame. I'm sure that's true if we limit our world to 4/3rds lenses. I'm hoping not to be restricted to "native" lenses because I haven't seen any indication that they're going to make the lenses I need/want.
The 12mm heliar on a 1.5 crop camera (full frame Samsung universe if you like) would make a wonderful 18mm prime in my mental universe. A 12mm panasonic would not fill that bill for me, being 24mm in my mental universe, even if they should happen to make it.
All the ff/crop mental gyrations aside, I want certain field of view options. The larger sensor in the samsung is more likely to allow me to have those options.
All that being said, the very small form factor of the Oly, should it come to pass and be a good implementation, might be compelling enough to sway me in that direction.
It's good having options.
Avotius
Some guy
When I was in college one of our teachers worked with us to show the differences in different optical systems. He expected us to be able to tell apart a Canon digital photo and a Canon digital photo taken with a Yashica lens, then the same photo and lens but with a Nikon. We got to know the qualities of the different cameras and lenses kind of the way people get to know film, which is kind of why he showed us that because he also worked with us in the first year black and white photography class to tell apart different films. Now I know someone here is going to get all huffy and puffy about how its impossible to tell apart these things and so on but....too bad.
And what I mean by heavy handed adjustments are things like color and tones and sharpness are so heavily influenced by the camera and baked into the raw photos that its was difficult to work with for us. We have a very well laid down work flow going on here and the G1 kind of screws with the entire process. I have talked with two different imaging experts about this and they both come to the same conclusion that there is some pretty influential software stuff going on, not to say there isnt with every digital camera you use but the G1's is a lot stronger then say a Canon 5D. If you still dont believe do look at this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/avotius/3311871154/
Now dont get me wrong here, the G1 is a great camera if you got it for what it is, but it ended up not fitting into my processes and what I thought I wanted it for so I sold it, that's all!
I'd be interested in seeing specifics of how color and tone and sharpness are 'baked into the raw photos.' This is counter to the entire concept of raw. Color and tone and sharpness are most certainly 'baked' differently with every camera when it comes to JPEG.
I looked at your ISO and lens comparisons but this doesn't tell me anything about what's going on.
What exactly is your workflow and how is it being 'screwed with?'
No camera is going to be perfect for everyone of course. I'm just looking for specifics, as these vague descriptions don't really tell me anything. Is there something I can try on my G1 that will reveal what exactly you are talking about?
I looked at your ISO and lens comparisons but this doesn't tell me anything about what's going on.
What exactly is your workflow and how is it being 'screwed with?'
No camera is going to be perfect for everyone of course. I'm just looking for specifics, as these vague descriptions don't really tell me anything. Is there something I can try on my G1 that will reveal what exactly you are talking about?
JoeV
Thin Air, Bright Sun
Well, I went to the link you provided; all the guy says is that his G1 + kit lens performed as well as premium Leica glass, and was therefore disturbed about this, enough so as to suspect that other shenanigans might be going on behind the scenes with the RAW file. But, like you, he was entirely non-specific, merely paranoid.
Myself, I'm beginning to suspect that the real issue here is that the G1 has upset the established order of things, in that final image quality no longer has a direct relationship to cost. There're lots of legacy glass out there that could suddenly depreciate under this new paradigm. "Follow the money," to quote some Oliver Stone character.
~Joe