One BIG disappointment

noimmunity said:
The framelines can be user set, and the camera can be set to "fire with no lens", but the combination does not produce user-defined framelines *in the optical viewfinder*.

Page 70 of the English manual details instructions for the user-selectable focal lengths, but there is no mention whatsoever that these changes will be reflected in the OVF.

I have the camera, have tried to set the focal length while selecting "shoot w/out lens"; heck, I have even tried it without a lens just to see.

Please do not bother with RTFM comments. I would like responses from people who actually have the camera and have discovered a way to initiate framelines of user-defined focal length in the OVF.

The other 99.9% is just hot air, thank you.
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Forgive me for trying to help oh gracious one.

noimmunity said:
"99.9% sure" (see post #4) - from someone who probably doesn't even have the camera.
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Lucky I left that .1% margin of error then right?
 
That previous thread was mine.

I just did a test and set the frame lines to 75mm to see if they'd change.
They didn't. It appears I was wrong. I apologize.
I'll fix the previous thread (or a moderator can delete).

In playing with my camera it appears the framelines are set by the lenses attached, and can not be adjusted.
Guessing (only a guess): this option is for M glass where no data is communicated.

Once again, sorry about this,
Nick.
 
I tried it with mine and nothing happened....

My theory is that those settings are for changing framelines for non fuji lenses.

Can someone with an adapter try?
 
Now we're finally getting to the bottom of this! Thanks to all who responded in a constructive fashion.

I have wondered, too, if the framelines would not appear when using an adapted lens. However, given the fact that the current adapter from Kipon is a ring of dead metal that does not communicate any information to the camera body--except perhaps the sole fact that a flange has been engaged--I am not very optimistic about this.

Could it be that Fuji has "pulled a Leica"? That is to say, is the XP1 designed to essentially "lock out" from non-native lenses a key feature like the OVF framelines, just as Leica did with the 6 bit coding on the M8?

I prefer to hold out hope that Fuji will address all this when the official adapter is released.
 
Very cool, Dave!

I'm going to get the 60/2.4 when I travel back to Taiwan next week. Pretty excited about that, too.

That was one awesome box opening video you posted recently. Just for the record, I'll be shooting the daytime part of the events next week in Taiwan on film, using the Fuji XP1 mostly for the night parts. It's the first time I'll be able to enjoy such excellent high ISO (my only digital camera before this was an M8).


dcsang said:
Hi Jon,

I agree with you - there is no way to change the framelines with the OVF. No argument there 🙂

I didn't expect to be able to but I can see how, as you said, some people may be confused by these "framelines" within the OVF.

The combination OVF/EVF though does help with respect to MF - I am awaiting the delivery of the Kipon adapter (will hopefully be here next week) at which time I can better determine how to use the camera with non-AF (i.e non Fuji) lenses.

Still, the camera is a lot of fun and I love it so far.

Cheers,
dave
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I have the adapters, MD->X and M->X. When you put those on, the frameline is gone.

My theory is that this is a feature related to the Fuji adapters. It seems they are taking awfully long time to do something that other ppl did in such short time. I think their adapters will be rangefinder coupled. That would make far more sense.

Otherwise, this feature is pretty much useless.
 
noimmunity said:
Now we're finally getting to the bottom of this! Thanks to all who responded in a constructive fashion.

I have wondered, too, if the framelines would not appear when using an adapted lens. However, given the fact that the current adapter from Kipon is a ring of dead metal that does not communicate any information to the camera body--except perhaps the sole fact that a flange has been engaged--I am not very optimistic about this.

Could it be that Fuji has "pulled a Leica"? That is to say, is the XP1 designed to essentially "lock out" from non-native lenses a key feature like the OVF framelines, just as Leica did with the 6 bit coding on the M8?

I prefer to hold out hope that Fuji will address all this when the official adapter is released.
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I think it might work with the Kippon (fingers crossed) I reread the manual and it said "use focal legnth (setting) when a lens does not supply focal legnth to the camera."

It would be great if someone with an adapter could verify this.

It would be even better if Fuji with a firmware upgrade made the framelines adjustable or even tightened them up.

As it stands they are pretty far from accurate.

When I framed this shot, the balcony floor was not in the framelines. :bang:

On the bright side this was shot at iso 6400 and we do have the EVH for accurate framing.😀
 
mouren said:
I have the adapters, MD->X and M->X. When you put those on, the frameline is gone.

My theory is that this is a feature related to the Fuji adapters. It seems they are taking awfully long time to do something that other ppl did in such short time. I think their adapters will be rangefinder coupled. That would make far more sense.

Otherwise, this feature is pretty much useless.
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Thanks for this.

This must be their way to ensure everyone buys Fuji adapters.
 
mouren said:
I have the adapters, MD->X and M->X. When you put those on, the frameline is gone.

My theory is that this is a feature related to the Fuji adapters. It seems they are taking awfully long time to do something that other ppl did in such short time. I think their adapters will be rangefinder coupled. That would make far more sense.

Otherwise, this feature is pretty much useless.
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I don't think I'll be able to get any sleep tonight 🙂
 
Ok I think I figured it out, and it works!

I dont have the kipon adapter, but I do have the body cap, which as far as the camera is concerned it's the same thing: a foreign body that it doesnt know what it is.

So, with the body cap on, I selected "shoot without lens". Then I selected a wide focal length and the camera gave me wide framelines in the OVF. Then I selected a longer focal langth, and it gave me narrow framelines. And as soon as I hit 35mm, it added the magnifier as well so that the framelines aren't too small.

So it works, you can change framelines in the OVF with adapted lenses 🙂

Of course the framelines will not compensate for parallax, because the camera doesnt know where you're focused (the adapter has no coupling). But, being such a nice and obliging camera, it actually gives you two sets of framelines, a white one and a blue one, very close to each other. I suspect the white one represents infinity and the blue one middle to close focus distances. It's not the same as parallax correction, but if you are experienced with rangefinders it gives you an idea where your frame goes as you focus in and out.

Not the most elegant of solutions but as far as I'm concerned it's the best possible solution given the circumstances (an adapter that conveys no info). I approve 🙂
 
Lo and behold, when I tried it with the body cap on, it works.

However, there's still a problem.

In the menu option for focal length selection:

Framelines only show for the pre-programmed selections 1-4 (21mm, 24mm, 28mm and 35mm). They will show in either VF magnification setting.

But for the user-definable selections 5 and 6 (which the user can self-define focal length in increments of 1mm), I cannot get any framelines, irregardless of the focal length input.

The mystery continues!
 
noimmunity said:
The framelines can be user set, and the camera can be set to "fire with no lens", but the combination does not produce user-defined framelines *in the optical viewfinder*.

Page 70 of the English manual details instructions for the user-selectable focal lengths, but there is no mention whatsoever that these changes will be reflected in the OVF.

I have the camera, have tried to set the focal length while selecting "shoot w/out lens"; heck, I have even tried it without a lens just to see.

Please do not bother with RTFM comments. I would like responses from people who actually have the camera and have discovered a way to initiate framelines of user-defined focal length in the OVF.

The other 99.9% is just hot air, thank you.
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noimmunity said:
"99.9% sure" (see post #4) - from someone who probably doesn't even have the camera.
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So basically I was right about being able to select the frame lines in my first post.
 
gavinlg said:
So basically I was right about being able to select the frame lines in my first post.
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No. Please refer to the OP:

noimmunity said:
the XP1 apparently does not allow the user to set adjustable framelines in the OVF.
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As we have ascertained in this thread, the XP1 with the firmware as it is now indeed does not allow the user to set adjustable framelines. It only allows the user to select four pre-defined framelines (21, 24, 28 and 35). There are two user-definable focal length fields in the menu, but adjustment of these values does not produce corresponding framelines, nor indeed any framelines at all.
 
noimmunity said:
As we have ascertained in this thread, the XP1 with the firmware as it is now indeed does not allow the user to set adjustable framelines. It only allows the user to select four pre-defined framelines (21, 24, 28 and 35). There are two user-definable focal length fields in the menu, but adjustment of these values does not produce corresponding framelines, nor indeed any framelines at all.
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I was still partially right. But as said before, I'm quite sure fujifilm will enable those user definable frame lines with a firmware update along with the release of their M-mount adapter. They've proven to be great with updating - the x100 went from a good camera to a fantastic camera through software updates. It's an interesting tactic to presumably stop people from buying 3rd party adapters... It also might mean they have some tricks up their sleeve for their genuine adapter...
 
Gavin,

I would agree - I guess I can't wait for the Fuji adapter *LOL* - My understanding, unless someone has a different timeline than what I've been told, is that it won't be released till probably June/July - I would like to use my m-mount lenses by end of May for vacation 🙂

Would be nice though to have it by then but I doubt it will be available. I would expect, just my guess mind you, that with the Fuji adapter there will be a firmware update accordingly.

Cheers,
Dave
 
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