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From where I sit, it sounds like yours. I don't rely on people wanting to hear what I have to say to pay my rent...you do.Roger Hicks said:
Dave
one more time - too many pics!!
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JoeFriday
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it's a good thing we have you to make that distinction for us, RogerRoger Hicks said:
Roger Hicks
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Dear Dave,
Yes, and I'm not worried. Nor do I pay rent.
Joe: To quote Flanders and Swann (Swan?) from memory, from 'The English Are Best'
"It's not that they're wicked or naturally bad/It's knowing they're FOREIGN that makes them so mad"
Manolo: shitstirring? Moi?
Walker: your point about film is entirely fair, but what's it worth after Photoshop and the web and God-awful monitors?
Cheers,
Roger
Yes, and I'm not worried. Nor do I pay rent.
Joe: To quote Flanders and Swann (Swan?) from memory, from 'The English Are Best'
"It's not that they're wicked or naturally bad/It's knowing they're FOREIGN that makes them so mad"
Manolo: shitstirring? Moi?
Walker: your point about film is entirely fair, but what's it worth after Photoshop and the web and God-awful monitors?
Cheers,
Roger
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Nick R.
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This thread is a waste of time. I go to the gallery to see photos from the people with whom I converse on the forum, not three pages of snapshots from some guy named "alt" that I never heard of. Until there's a limit on gallery postings, why bother.
Fedzilla_Bob
man with cat
Camera, lens and film. F stop if you can remember or noted it. The last can be tough when you are hurried to catch a shot. The first three aren't really all that hard to keep track of.
It helps me understand what tools produce what results. Yes, the individual's eyes, mind and the moment matter most. But, the tools do count.
Besides how else are we gomig to keep G.A.S. alive.
I won't even bother to mention the need for self limitation when it comes to posting images. Oh... wait... I just mentioned it. 😉
It helps me understand what tools produce what results. Yes, the individual's eyes, mind and the moment matter most. But, the tools do count.
Besides how else are we gomig to keep G.A.S. alive.
I won't even bother to mention the need for self limitation when it comes to posting images. Oh... wait... I just mentioned it. 😉
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Little Prince
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A disappointing thread to read. I wish people could remain objective.
julianphotoart
No likey digital-phooey
1. Amateur Photographer is available in the U.S. and Canada, at least by subscription. It's weekly, it's got regular contributions by Ivor Matanle, it's got Roger Hicks' weekly diatribe (which I read religiously), and of the general interest photo magazines it's about the least taken in by digitalmania (i.e., it's actually got more than a token number of film-based topics and its editor isn't a stooge for the digital industry). The web-site is amateurphotographer.com and I think the e-mail address for subscriptions is ipcsubs@qss-uk.com.
2. We've gotten off-topic. I disagree with Roger on this one but I understand his point entirely. If one reads his columns his mind-set grows on one. My main reason for wanting to know details is that I like seeing all the nice old cameras at work (especially Argus).
3. I'm guilty of too many uploads at once. I will limit to 3 from now on.
4. I agree that the gallery is being drowned by snapshots. I hope that mine are not perceived as snapshots but who knows; let me know.
Julian
2. We've gotten off-topic. I disagree with Roger on this one but I understand his point entirely. If one reads his columns his mind-set grows on one. My main reason for wanting to know details is that I like seeing all the nice old cameras at work (especially Argus).
3. I'm guilty of too many uploads at once. I will limit to 3 from now on.
4. I agree that the gallery is being drowned by snapshots. I hope that mine are not perceived as snapshots but who knows; let me know.
Julian
Roger Hicks
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Sorry, Bob, it IS hard to keep track of what camera and lens you used 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago -- and WHO CARES? I can go on probability -- which Leica, the focal length from the apparent perspective -- but I can't guarantee it. Had they discontinued Fuji RF/RFP at that tiime? Was I using Kodachrome faute de mieux? Does it matter?
Shoot what you can, now, with the kit you have. Everything else is worthless. Do you care what kit I used? No. Do I care what kit you used? No. So YOU care what kit you used?
Cheers,
Roger
Shoot what you can, now, with the kit you have. Everything else is worthless. Do you care what kit I used? No. Do I care what kit you used? No. So YOU care what kit you used?
Cheers,
Roger
Fedzilla_Bob
man with cat
Whatever. It matters to me.
I have said enough.
I have said enough.
Fedzilla_Bob
man with cat
One more thing. (my wives, current and past, tell me that I love to have last words)
I know what camera, lens and f stop I shot 20 years ago. It's written on the transparency mounts.
I know what camera, lens and f stop I shot 20 years ago. It's written on the transparency mounts.
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Roger Hicks
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Dear Anand,
What's objective, on a matter of opinion?
Dear Julian,
I'm delighted you disagree. You have thought about it. Great. The same goes for Bob. But at least we're THINKING and arguing instead of saying "It's always been done this way therefore it should always be done this way. "
This is not meant to sound patronizing. Your opinions are worth at least as much as mine. But without debate, how do we know anyone's opinion? And how do we form our own opinions?
Cheers,
Roger
What's objective, on a matter of opinion?
Dear Julian,
I'm delighted you disagree. You have thought about it. Great. The same goes for Bob. But at least we're THINKING and arguing instead of saying "It's always been done this way therefore it should always be done this way. "
This is not meant to sound patronizing. Your opinions are worth at least as much as mine. But without debate, how do we know anyone's opinion? And how do we form our own opinions?
Cheers,
Roger
back alley
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i don't think we're talking about photo lessons or what 'secret' will i learn from all this tech info?, for me, IF YOU ARE SO INCLINED, put down some details from that recent shoot, IF YOU NOTE THESE THINGS in the first place.
i'm like roger (heavens) in that i don't pay particular attention to exposure details except for the moment i'm shooting.
it's usually easier for me to remember what gear i used as i normally go out with one camera and one lens and most of the time it's a p+35. the type of film is on the neg.
now, everyone, take a big fu**ing breath and share the love🙂
joe
i'm like roger (heavens) in that i don't pay particular attention to exposure details except for the moment i'm shooting.
it's usually easier for me to remember what gear i used as i normally go out with one camera and one lens and most of the time it's a p+35. the type of film is on the neg.
now, everyone, take a big fu**ing breath and share the love🙂
joe
back alley
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'But without debate, how do we know anyone's opinion? And how do we form our own opinions? '
just ask me, i'll tell you my opinion.
i just find the confrontational approach too tiring and i can learn without the pain.
joe
just ask me, i'll tell you my opinion.
i just find the confrontational approach too tiring and i can learn without the pain.
joe
Roger Hicks
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Dear Joe,
Sorry, I don't mean to be confrontational. But (a) it's my nature and (b) I have a law degree. Your view is 100% wise -- but then, I would say that, wouldn't I?
Cheers,
Roger
Sorry, I don't mean to be confrontational. But (a) it's my nature and (b) I have a law degree. Your view is 100% wise -- but then, I would say that, wouldn't I?
Cheers,
Roger
Fedzilla_Bob
man with cat
A rousing chorus of "Koom By Yah" maybe?
No worries. Just sharing thoughts.
No worries. Just sharing thoughts.
Roger Hicks
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Dear Bob,
Hey, Lordie...
Cheers,
R
Hey, Lordie...
Cheers,
R
ddunn
John
It's interesting that none of the pictures in the Lee Friedlander retrospective at the Museum of Modern Art was captioned with the "camera, lens, shutter speed, aperture, film" information. It was fairly apparent when he made the change from Leica to Rollei Ultrawide, but that bit of knowledge wasn't critical to enjoying the pictures.
Magazines have printed that information for years and years, as if it was critical to understanding and enjoying the photo, and we've been conditioned into believing this. But if you actually LOOK at the photo, 9 times out of 10 you can figure out the lens focal length and aperture used (and shutter speed if it wasn't instantaneous). Even if you can't, it doesn't change your understanding and enjoyment of the photo. After all, if this information really was that important, museums and galleries would demand it and display it for each of the photos in their collections.
However, I will say that this information is of interest when looking at old magazines. It is intriguing to see what some of the old timers could do when f 3.5 and Weston 25 were "fast."
Magazines have printed that information for years and years, as if it was critical to understanding and enjoying the photo, and we've been conditioned into believing this. But if you actually LOOK at the photo, 9 times out of 10 you can figure out the lens focal length and aperture used (and shutter speed if it wasn't instantaneous). Even if you can't, it doesn't change your understanding and enjoyment of the photo. After all, if this information really was that important, museums and galleries would demand it and display it for each of the photos in their collections.
However, I will say that this information is of interest when looking at old magazines. It is intriguing to see what some of the old timers could do when f 3.5 and Weston 25 were "fast."
Roger Hicks
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Dear ddun,
YES!
If you can't figure it out, it probably won't matter anyway.
If you can figure it out, it doesn't matter.
And figuring it out on the web is (a) next to impossible and therefore (b) worthless anyway.
Cheers,
Roger
YES!
If you can't figure it out, it probably won't matter anyway.
If you can figure it out, it doesn't matter.
And figuring it out on the web is (a) next to impossible and therefore (b) worthless anyway.
Cheers,
Roger
doubs43
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backalley photo said:
Joe, you've reminded me of a story that my father told me years ago.
Our small-town Methodist Church once had a Minister who became interested in photography. He rushed out and bought a camera, lenses, enlarger and all the necessary items required to develope film and print enlargements. When he couldn't produce a decent print, he asked my father for help.
My father joined the Minister in his darkroom and asked him to make a test strip of his negative. The Minister immediately threw a full sheet of 8x10 paper under the enlarger! My father stopped him and asked why he was using a full sheet. Why, that's how he made his test strips! My father then explained how to cut the sheet into strips and place them under the important parts of the enlargement. Then he demonstrated how to make a decent print from the results of the test strip(s).
It was then that the Minister shocked my father by asking for his "secret" to making good prints. Pop explained that there was no "secret" and that it was simply a matter of practice and learning. The Minister actually became angry and insisted that Pop was withholding his "secret" from him. As far as I know, the Minister was never satisfied that Pop wasn't keeping something from him. I don't know if he ever found out what the "secret" was as I believe he quickly tired of photography.
Walker
FrankS
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I'm not sure exactly why, but I do like reading the technical details of a photograph while I am enjoying the asthetic axpects of a photograph. The extra context somehow "completes the picture" for me. Must be the gearhead part of me. I'm certainly not going to use the info to try to replicate the image with the same camera/lens/exposure/developer etc. I just like knowing the details.
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