one more time - too many pics!!

[back alley]

ok, maybe you two haven't noticed...this is not an art museum, it's a internet forum for guys like me who want TO SHARE info and learn and keep the creative juices flowing.

to hang out with artists and geeks and even the ODD mag writer, to enjoy my hobby, my art whatever.

i'm also a poet, used to attend a writer's group and no we did not talk about what pen or pencil we used or what kind of computer or printer...but we DID SHARE for the purpose of moving ahead.
no blood was spilt, either 🙂

joe

 

[Roger Hicks]

Nice story, Walker.

Frank: WHY? Are you sure it isn't just habituation?

There's also the point that people lie, sometimes through forgetfulness (raises hand) and sometimes out of dishonesty: I knew one photographer, the author of a few books (not me -- I'm the author of LOTS of books) who attributed all his good shots to the company that gave him free cameras, and all the ordinsary ones to the cameras he had to buy for himself.

Cheers,

Roger

 

[Roger Hicks]

Dear Joe,

I regard myself as a better writer than photographer (chorus of 'Hear! Hear!' and 'He can't write either') and I have to echo your point about writers' groups. But then again you don't get sharper typewriters or word processing programs.

Incidentally was there any hidden agenda in the capitalization of 'odd'?

Cheers,

Roger (still using Wordstar)

 

[Fedzilla_Bob]

In the interest of "sharing the love..." here is why it matters to me-

I am an amateur photographer. I leave the professional shooting to my brother who has lived and breathed it for over 3 decades. I am a professional graphic designer. My head is filled with understanding of typography, color, form and composition as it applies to book and Web design. My head is also filled with info about human factors and how it matters in design. Functionality is key in conveying information. I apply my knowledge intuitively as a result of almost 30 years of experience.

I don't have the experience of working with my cameras hours on end, day in and day out. I believe it would take that amount of involvement in photography to apply the knowledge with the same level of intuition I use in my professional life.

So, the added information reminds me of how to apply the tools. Seeing information about lenses, film and aperture informs me of how an effect is acheived.

No, I won't necessarily be able to duplicate results. But, I can assimilate what I learn from it and apply it to my own photos. Maybe this is a result of being a designer and not an artist.

For me, some level of process must be practiced in order to get to the next level where I can perform intuitively. I see that information as a matter of building knowledge. Which, hopefully, will lead to experience.

 

[back alley]

Incidentally was there any hidden agenda in the capitalization of 'odd'?

nothing hidden at all.
i think you see the way the people on this forum work very differently than i do and therefore i find that odd.
i find you odd, in that, after repeated attempts to downplay your confrontational manner, you persist in confronting others and pushing your 'agenda of learning' on this small group of people.
frankly, i am tiring of it.

you may be interested in knowing of the complaints i get about you from forum members, of the people who leave this forum because they choose that over the unbearable unrelenting attitute of self rightiousness and condecending manner in which you address people here.

is this the kind of truth you are after roger?
does this satisfy your need for impact on others?

any more opinions from me that you would like to hear?

joe

 

[JoeFriday]

is it just me, or is it a bit egotistical for someone to be concerned that others are going to take another RFFer's photo and try to replicate it?

 

[Roger Hicks]

OK, Joe. I guess it's time to leave. Sorry I upset you (and others).

I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're saying, but equally, you (and others) don't seem too clear on what I am saying. I thought we were all here to learn, not merely to confirm our prejudices.

Perhaps I'll see some of you on www.rogerandfrances.com. Hope so. If not, vaya con dio.

Cheers,

Roger

 

[back alley]

are you not capable of change, of learning something new and trying it out?

i could ban you roger but that is not my style.

i'm not asking you or anyone else to leave but i will ask for some sincere respect for the people here.

you don't seem to want to understand that most people here are trying to have some fun, to learn, make some cyber friends and sometimes, to create something unique and beautiful...all while enjoying the forum experience.

you are welocme here, maybe just relax some...

joe

 

[jan normandale]

Hey , I'm back. Just checked in before going out. I can smell a good thread a mile away.

Wow! Who'd a thought. Roger versus the world and he likes it. I'd probably hang out with Roger for the heck of it. I imagine he's a gusto sorta guy. Still it must be a slow day Roger. You've single handedly put out more 'ink' for one guy on a thread and 'bareknuckled' it out too.

So how about a solution here. Roger.. don't bother putting info on your pix. If some want to put info on pix do it. If some can't remember don't make it up! I didn't do a random check of the supporters of tech info but maybe we should look to see who says they are compliant and who isn't.

I'm sorta like Roger tho I'm a Canadian version. Sometimes the tech stuff gets in the way or is not 'journalized'. I'd like to see a Winogrand or Cartier-Bresson stop in the street and note down f stop, speed, and lens each time he changed any of those three. For those who noted that they can remember details of a shot 20 years ago. It's not fair, you have a memory issue. I won't hold it against you.

Joe you've got a point this is a wonderful site for people to learn tech stuff. So I promise to try and note specifics whenever I can. This will help the newbies and curious.

As a final comment. I randomly selected 3 of the RFFers who want the 'info' and went to their galleries…….. I then went to the first gallery and first photo in that gallery. Guess what? No tech info on the shot. Before we start throwing stones lets be sure we aren't living in a 'glass forum'

Maybe a little live and let live would be good here. I have written to members regarding their shots. Those inclined responed. That may be one more solution and it isn't difficult.

Cheers, Jan

 

[back alley]

the tech info for most of the gallery was lost in the move.

joe

 

[back alley]

and this stopped being about tech info a while back.

joe

 

[Roger Hicks]

Dear Joe,

You could ban me, but that's not your style?

What is? And what would you ban me for? Disagreeing with you?

I'd say that sincere respect is what I'm offering: I'm taking other people's views seriously and responding seriously. I just don't agree with a lot of them.

Which is why, perhaps, it's better if I quit before I'm thrown off. If there is no room for dissent -- and I think I've usually been civil -- then there's no room for me on the forum either.

Cheers,

Roger

 

[back alley]

roger,

you're an adult who can decide these things on his own.

if you are capable only of dissenting so be it.

joe

 

[jan normandale]

Hi all ,if we really think about it, this is deteriorating. Lets stop for today .

Jan

 

[Fedzilla_Bob]

Thanks Joe for pointing out the data lost. I was going to bring that up.

It's easy to remember which camera and lens. Joe mentioned this earlier when he pointed out that he usually is using one camera and lens. I have only once gone out with two lenses and My Bessa R. A few of my other cameras are fixed lens. Makes that easy enough.

It is also not unheard of to use a microcassette recorder to capture notes. I have done this in the past as a learning tool. Dorky? Yes, but effective.

 

[Fedzilla_Bob]

"Mixing Blues" was shot with my Bessa R, Industar 61 l/d and Fuji NPS 160. Don't know the f. 😉

 

[JoeFriday]

Roger, I can take the sometimes combative attitude, the glib remarks, etc. Sometimes I even enjoy them. I'm a thick skinned kind of person who thinks people should speak their minds when appropriate. What really
p!$$e$ me off is how you all too often make the subject of many threads one thing: Roger Hicks

that's how I feel, as well.. in this one thread, which was originally a stern request to upload your photos in small groups, we've learned that Roger has a law degree and has written LOTS of books *golf clap*

unfortunately, this site is about photography.. and even more to the point, it's a place to discuss questions, thoughts and yes, feelings.. as Joe has already pointed out, it's not a museum or an art gallery.. it's also not a place where any one person's opinion is the deciding factor (at least, for as long as Jorge allows)

it's time for all of us to elevate ourselves above 'civil' and embrace 'polite' and 'respectful'.. you go first 😀

 

[jan normandale]

One of the three

One of the three

"Mixing Blues" was shot with my Bessa R, Industar 61 l/d and Fuji NPS 160. Don't know the f. 😉

Hi Fedzilla Bob

yep, you were one but I wasn't going to say it, but you blew the cover. (joke!!)

Jan

my attempt to lighten this thread up

 

[Fedzilla_Bob]

Oh it only took a liitle work to figure it out. All of 30 seconds. No feelings hurt here.

A lot of my data was blown away with the move. Happened to most us.

I have been lazy about adding the data again. Partially guilty as charged. 😉

 

[FrankS]

About confrontational style: There was a fellow a while ago who advertized his new photographic discussion website. The last article of his that I read, and commented on here at RFF, was something to the effect that if an image did not work in colour, one could make it B+W and call it art. He decided that in order to capture readers he needed to be confrontational. I surmise that Roger Hick's magazine articles are similar.

I stated that what I enjoy the most about RFF was atmosphere of warmth, helpfulness, and respect. This confrontational style, especially when someone needs to argue his point to the bitter end, instead of realizing that there are other valid points of view and the socially polite course would be to agree to disagree, is the opposit of what I like the best about RFF.

If only Roger could adapt his discourse here to the prevailing custom of respect and politeness! It is similar to someone entering a church and talking too loudly.

I don't mind that Roger has his own views and that they are sometimes different from those of others, it is the manner in which he presents them that I find less than acceptable here at RFF. Perfectly fine for his articles, but the confrontational style goes against the culture here at RFF.

I wish Roger would stay, but chill out a bit.

(My tech data was also lost in the move.)