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Wouldn't it be nice, if Leica could confirm whether they going to release a full frame M this year? It would be much better than just giving hints to certain magazine interview or website promo.





Would it hurt? Nikon and Canon has full frame already. Sony has openly announced their full frame sensor.


Why not Leica? Would not the announcement spur sales of the M8? This is not like insider dealing . . CEO thing. No one will go to jail for this.
 
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Nikon and Canon have a full compliment of camera products that sell well and sustain them. Sony's announcement doesn't really hurt their current sales, since they have camera products in all sectors from P/S to SLR, plus they have a Fab that actually manufactures the chips, possibly for other companies.

Leica neither makes their own chips nor has the sales volume of alternative products that can sustain them, other than the M8, whose sales dip following a FF announcement would probably impact them significantly.

~Joe
 
What stumble, Fred? The only thing I have seen is a bit of pig-headedness on the Internet by posters who seem to think it is a mandatory upgrade, or suppose a conspiracy to defraud the customers. I think any reasonable person will recognize that for wisps of smoke.
 
M8, 2/3 rd frame cost $5500. M8 FF cost $8500. ( estimate ). Who’s going to buy it? Man, all I read on these threads is how over priced the M8 is now.
 
pizzahut88 said:
Wouldn't it be nice, if Leica could confirm whether they going to release a full frame M this year? It would be much better than just giving hints to certain magazine interview or website promo.

Would it hurt? Nikon and Canon has full frame already. Sony has openly announced their full frame sensor.


Why not Leica? Would not the announcement spur sales of the M8? This is not like insider dealing . . CEO thing. No one will go to jail for this.
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I am reminded of when the Osborne Computer Company announced the Osborne II to replace the Osborne I. Sales tanked, the company went out of business. The next company with a decent portable was called Compaq. Which one is still with us?

This announcement would be suicide. better to wait for a product release than to talk about vaporware.
 
Lets see here. I have a almost new Nikon D200 and a bunch of lenses. I have been collecting Leica brass film cassets and there are a flim bench winder and ABLON in the mail as I write this. I also found the better voltage stabilizer for my V35 that was last sold new for $700. That at the current used darkroom prices.

Leica has turned me off. Fine products to be sure, but so is Rolls Royce.
 
I am not contemplating the virtues of big brother business practice here, but just as Joe said, unlike the CANIKONS with their multitudes of product, the M8 is LEICA's flagship....and support ship...its the whole fleet! They really need to make the business model work!

if the cost of the upgrade shakes the marketing base LEICA has, the actual cost to the company will be high, IMHO.
I think I am going to start a new thread on the virtues of alternate price point LEICA bodies he he
 
Al Patterson said:
I am reminded of when the Osborne Computer Company announced the Osborne II to replace the Osborne I.....
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Wasn't that just after the discovery of fire...or was it the wheel? I'm a bit foggy on that...😀

Bob
 
rpsawin said:
Wasn't that just after the discovery of fire...or was it the wheel? I'm a bit foggy on that...😀

Bob
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After fire, but before the wheel.

It's tough being old. I can't even remember the year. It was before the Commodore Amiga and after the Apple II...
 
sitemistic said:
The Osborne II was announced in 1984. The delay in producing it killed the company.
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About the time I replaced my Atari 400 with the Compaq II--the last computer I'd ever need🙂. Then there was the III. Upgrade fever.

To succeed, Leica can't depend on its heritage consumers (sooner or later, they're bound to die---even if the lenses don't). Leica will have to make it with a consumer base that wants the brand, wants the peculiar qualities of the cameras, and expects obsolescence.
 
sitemistic said:
I even more ancient in the computer world. My first kit computer was an Imsai 8080, s-100 bus computer. That's the one the kid had in Wargames. Introduced in 1975.

God, I'm old.
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I'm not that far behind you. I knew people who had the Imsai or the Altair, but I was in college and was using either the DEC or the IBM mainframe at that point. I started with the VIC-20 in about 1982.
 
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