OT: SLR engineered by committee (SLR version of Prominent)

julianphotoart

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Yes, I know this getting seriously off-topic. But we have so much Zeiss Ikon action on this site these days but we need to share the love with old Zeiss Ikon SLR brethren. I apologize in advance for this being a long-winded post -- but this camera is just sooooooo wild.

Anyway, in a previously reported bad case of GAS, I laid out for a Zeiss Ikon Contarex. Ivor Matanle in his SLR classics book says you gotta hold one of these babies to really appreciate it.

On the other hand, Henry Scherer, at his zeisscamera.com web-site, says of the Contarex: "after having studied the Contarex for a few years I have come to the conclusion that the root cause of its peculiar personality is that it was the first of the line of modern 35 mm SLR's. The situation with the design of the first of anything is that there is no experience upon which to rely when considering design ideas. It's impossible to prove that any idea is wrong. Anyone who tries to edit the design is quickly attacked and becomes an enemy of the whole. Consequently, jjust about every designer's pet idea gets incorporated and the product is very quirky. It seems to me the main reason the Contarex is so large and so heavy is that it wasn't possible for anyone on the design team to live without their big idea being incorporated into it, so it had to be very large to hold the fruit of so many very talented people."

So I got the camera today. Unreal. Indeed, every possible idea was thrown into this complex big jewel. Wildest lens mount known to man first of all. Why on earth have a wheel as the ONLY means of controlling aperture? I have no idea how well this camera works; it might be the most elegant paperweight I ever buy. The shutter seems fine, the light-meter is beautiful and utterly unworkable, and the myriad mechanical parts wheeze, clang, buzz, clink, pfft and whirr like a little symphony.

Attached are photos. I also throw in a photo of a Zeiss Ikon Icarex, which was the mid-range SLR at about the same time as the Contarex range (albeit later than this Cyclops model). This Cyclops dates from sometime prior to 1964 and the Icarex from roughly 1970 or so. The two cameras are utterly different. My understanding is that the Icarex heavily incorporates a lot of designs taken over from Voigtlander. The Contarex is unique.

Interestingly, though the comparative size of the various parts of the Icarex makes it seem smaller than a Contarex, it actually isn't. The main body of the Icarex is a little less wide but the main body is a little higher and the overall height of the two cameras is the same.

One of the photos is a close-up of the Contarex film advance lever and attendant dial. This shows the workmanship. The dial is so weird though. First, it has film speed labeling unlike any other camera. Second, the film counter goes down from 36. Third, on a camera like this you have to manually re-set the counter. Fourth, despite the lever and dial components being so big, the actual shutter release button is small, rudimentary and insignificant. You'll also notice the famous aperture wheel. Another shot shows the lens mount. It's so convoluted that I won't even bother.

The one problem with the camera, which I have to ask Mr. Scherer about (and perhaps ship it to him), is the fact that the lens, though an f4 lens, doesn't open up wider than f5.6. The ring at the rear of the lens that controls aperture can be manually moved to f4 but when attached to the camera it just won't do it. The lens may have to go in; I don't know yet.

I guess we'll shoot some photos first and then get the camera and/or lens CLA'd. I don't think it's ever had a cleaning, though cosmetically it's beautiful. I won't even bother to try to fix the light-meter--even if it got fixed I'd never trust it.

Can you imagine actually going out in public and trying to inconspicuously take some street photos? If someone here has done so, I'd like to hear about it.

Thanks for reading.

Julian
 
IMHO, one reason that they use that wheel to control the aperture is that there is a aperture mechanism in front of the light meter, when you stop down the lens, you stop down the meter as well.
 
I think Zeiss made some of the most interesting looking cameras. The Contax, Contarex & Contessa come to mind.
 
Price the lenses and you will know how good the pics were. In case you can`t find any, they are high priced.

Zeiss glass is very fine for any camera. Total shame they can`t hire some mechanical engineers to build a camera. Never have, most likely never will. Unfortunately at this time, the market will not support another high quality camera.

The current Z mount RF remains to be evaluated. But they have miles to go to get even with Leica.

Zeiss lenses in Nikon mount, now that`s interesting.
 
But, does the aperture change to maintain the save EV setting when you change the Shutter Speed?

That engineer worked for Kodak...

Nice write-up. Prices for Contarex stay high. Post some shots taken with it.

Just to add: I always thought the engineers for the Retina must have worked on Submarine design. I dropped a lens into 3ft of water, and it came up dry. The linkage for the aperture mechanism is fairly watertight.
 
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To HIGH

To HIGH

I have seen the price of a poor condition go for $700 and then a extra beat-up 135(i think) for $600. This camera need more work that then me to pay for this crazed habit!! And the sad thing I know the guy that bought It and it sits on a mantel unfixed and unloved. One single tear rolling slowly down my face.
 
Julian, if you are looking at the diaphragm with the lens set to infinity, you will see
the blades, however, you are still getting f/4. On their close-focusing lenses Zeiss
had a compensation system which kept the aperture consistent throughout the range of focus. Try this--put the lens at infinity, then move toward minimum focus
as you watch the blades; you should see a perfect circle with the lens at minimum
focus.

The 'Rex is an item everyone should experience. My only complaints--the wheezy ratcheting sound of the advance lever, and the ten pound shutter release. It does
benefit from one of the Abramsson (sp?) soft releases.

Fred
 
yossarian said:
That's about half what we pay in the states--there are fewer of them here, I guess.


I accidentally bought a working Contarex Bullseye last year on eBay for 300 USD from a seller in England. I put in a low bid figuring that I would get outbid, but won it anyway. The body shows considerable wear to the paint and has a few small dents, but the 50/2 Planar looks like it was hardly used. IMO, the prices for the various models of the Contrarex are all over the place on eBay...sometimes 1000 USD, sometimes 400 USD. Also, the later models like the Super and Electronic tend to sell for more money.

I have run a few rolls of film through the camera, and it takes fine pictures. My only complaints about the camera are the weight and size. Without a doubt the biggest and heaviest SLR I have ever held. Makes my Canon FTb look and feel small.
 
Do you have a Rolleiflex SL35M? Rollei changed the lens mount and the gears in the film advance mechanism but it's basically a rebadged Zeiss Icarex.

R.J.
 
I have a nice looking Contarex Bullseye with a 50/2 Blitz Planar lens and I have somewhere a 250mm lens lens too. This is a very special camera indeed. Whether it is "history" or whether it is first class craftmanship. I paid $250 for camera and the 50mm lens. These days the lenses are still very expensive. I paid $500 for the 250mm lens.
 
RJBender said:
Do you have a Rolleiflex SL35M? Rollei changed the lens mount and the gears in the film advance mechanism but it's basically a rebadged Zeiss Icarex.

R.J.

Yes, I'm afraid I have an SL35M, not to mention SL35, SL35E and SL2000F. The SL35M and Icarex both have that strange little tab near the advance lever that activates the light meter. That is sticky on both cameras. The Icarex is big, but the SL35M is EVEN bigger. Finding reasonable Zeiss lenses for the Rollei SLR's seems to be a bit of a bother. I admit to being prejudiced against Rolleinars. I lust after the Zeiss 85 f1.4 but can't justify paying the price. I decided to get a Rollei-M42 adapter to get over the problem. I already have a Rollei-Adaptall adapter that comes in useful.
 
Damn--brain fart! I forgot to mention the Rolleinar (Mamiya) 85/2.8--a remarkably
sharp lens, and only four elements, so not much flare. Well worth consideration.

Fred...old, forgetful Fred...
 
I use the SL2000F and the SL35 cameras among the Rolleiflex 35mm cameras. I have 4-5 50mm lenses for them (Schneider 50/1.8, Planar 50/1.8, 50/14, Rolleinar 55/1.8) and the 35mm/1.4 Distagon plus the 85mm/1.4 Planar lens (with damaged aperture and used wide open) and a Rolleinar 80-200.
 
julianphotoart said:
Yes, I'm afraid I have an SL35M, not to mention SL35, SL35E and SL2000F. The SL35M and Icarex both have that strange little tab near the advance lever that activates the light meter. That is sticky on both cameras. The Icarex is big, but the SL35M is EVEN bigger. Finding reasonable Zeiss lenses for the Rollei SLR's seems to be a bit of a bother. I admit to being prejudiced against Rolleinars. I lust after the Zeiss 85 f1.4 but can't justify paying the price. I decided to get a Rollei-M42 adapter to get over the problem. I already have a Rollei-Adaptall adapter that comes in useful.

They needed more room at the top for the meter. The Icarex has the meter in the removable prism.

The 80-200mm f/4 Rolleinar is pretty decent. It was made by Mamiya.

Think of the bokeh you'll get when you stop down using that triangle shaped iris in the Rollei 85mm f/1.4 Planar. 😱

R.J.
 
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