JoeFriday
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the raising of the flag at Iwo Jima was taken exactly 61 years ago today by Joe Rosenthal.. using a Speed Graphic!
OT: the most reproduced photo in history taken on this day
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wlewisiii
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If you haven't read it, those who read this thread, find the book "Flags of our Fathers" by James Bradley, the son of one of those in the picture. The book adds even more meaning to the image.
William
William
JoeFriday
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oddly enough, I had this up in another browser window as William typed that
http://www.jamesbradley.com/flagsofourfathers.cfm
http://www.jamesbradley.com/flagsofourfathers.cfm
During WW-II, half of the B-29 missions that my Father flew ended up being emergency landings at Iwo. One in the middle of the Pacific, rescued by Submarine. If the Marines had not taken Iwo, I probably would not be here.
George S.
How many is enough?
Yes, an excellent book William. Some quick Navy/Marine historical photos can be seen at www.iwojima.com
My father-in-law was over for dinner this past Sunday, and he was in a subdued mood, more so than ever. Then I realized, and he mentioned where he was 61 years ago that day. He was in the first wave of Marines to hit the beach, they took 75% casualties in the first hour. Seven out of their eight officers killed. They couldn't get any footing, they kept sliding backward in the loose ash. At the end of the first day, his unit had suffered 92% casualties. Thankfully, (or not for that matter) he was not wounded, and stayed in combat for over three weeks before getting relieved. Somehow, this, short, skinny tough little guy would survive four Marine invasions of WWII.
We always are pestering him to get his memories recorded by one of our unofficial family "historians", but, understandably, he can only speak about it certain times, he can't just turn it on and blabble because someone else wants him to.
Almost completely unimaginable for those of us who haven't experienced a war firsthand. I'll be raising a glass or two tonight in honor of all the brave ones who've done their duty to keep us free, and to all men and women on both sides who were only doing their duty.
My father-in-law was over for dinner this past Sunday, and he was in a subdued mood, more so than ever. Then I realized, and he mentioned where he was 61 years ago that day. He was in the first wave of Marines to hit the beach, they took 75% casualties in the first hour. Seven out of their eight officers killed. They couldn't get any footing, they kept sliding backward in the loose ash. At the end of the first day, his unit had suffered 92% casualties. Thankfully, (or not for that matter) he was not wounded, and stayed in combat for over three weeks before getting relieved. Somehow, this, short, skinny tough little guy would survive four Marine invasions of WWII.
We always are pestering him to get his memories recorded by one of our unofficial family "historians", but, understandably, he can only speak about it certain times, he can't just turn it on and blabble because someone else wants him to.
Almost completely unimaginable for those of us who haven't experienced a war firsthand. I'll be raising a glass or two tonight in honor of all the brave ones who've done their duty to keep us free, and to all men and women on both sides who were only doing their duty.
JoeFriday
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I have a very close friend who has told me on numerous occasions that her grandfather worked in the photo lab that developed the flag raising photo.. she claims her grandpa had several photo albums of ORIGINAL PRINTS during WW2, including that one.. unfortunately her grandfather died last year, and she's having a hard time locating the albums for me to see
C
ch1
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JoeFriday said:
Interesting historical tidbit, Brett.
I guessing you are correct about it being the most reproduced photo. While I can think of a lot of iconic photos I cannot think of any other that would even come close!
FrankS
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For me, one of the most iconic images is the one of the Vietnamese girl running down the street (towards the photographer)..
C
ch1
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Frank,
We all have in our minds certain iconic images (that's what makes them so). But Brett was talking about most "reproduced". As searing as the Vietnamese pic is - I don't think it comes close...
We all have in our minds certain iconic images (that's what makes them so). But Brett was talking about most "reproduced". As searing as the Vietnamese pic is - I don't think it comes close...
JoeFriday
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well, I was just repeating what I had read online this morning.. but it would be hard to dispute that the Iwo Jima flag raising isn't at least in the top 5 most recognizable images
but my original point was to say that 61 years later, one photo taken at one moment in time is still burned into the hearts and minds of several generations of peoples
but my original point was to say that 61 years later, one photo taken at one moment in time is still burned into the hearts and minds of several generations of peoples
SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
I saw, years ago, the story of one of those Marines, turned into a movie starring Tony Curtis. I guess I'll take a look at the IMDB to give you the title and year. Not until I watched that film did I understand the extreme conditions under which that flag was erected in Iwo Jima.
Thanks for the information, Brett!
Thanks for the information, Brett!
SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
kmack
do your job, then let go
Not to start a ruckus here, all politics aside, but Albert Korda's Che, has become a part of pop culture world wide. I would not be surprised if "Che" in all of it's incarnations is as reproduced if not more so than Joe Rosenthals Iwo Jima.
physiognomy
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Thanks for pointing this out Brett... Not being a citizen here (& I shy away from war history) I knew lilttle of the story behind this photograph...
I found a web site that others might want to check out for more info:
Iwo Jima
It also mentions a 'first' flag raising before the iconic event (with some photographic evidence) that has a level of controversy... See the Ray Jacobs link at the bottom. Interesting.
Peter
I found a web site that others might want to check out for more info:
Iwo Jima
It also mentions a 'first' flag raising before the iconic event (with some photographic evidence) that has a level of controversy... See the Ray Jacobs link at the bottom. Interesting.
Peter
John Camp
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This is the kind of discussion that somebody's bound to condemn as pointless and stipid, but that I always enjoy. There are other **photos** that have been produced as often, I suspect, but maybe not over the range -- you have to consider that the Iwo photo was reproduced as a famous sculpture, which is probably seen thousands of times a day, and as a stamp...purely as a photo, Che must be close to the top. Or that first photo of earth (the Big Blue Marble) from space. And to really find the "most produced" I suspect we'd have to look outside the US -- to something like the portrait of Mao as shown in the famous Warhol silk-screen. If there was one in every Chinese home...
JC
JC
FrankS
Registered User
I was just responding to the "iconic" reference, not the "most reproduced" one. The image I spoke of is the strongest "war time" image in my memory's image-bank.
JoeFriday
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actually, to pointlessly refute JC's assertion about Che.. the actual photo of the infamous Che Gueverra is not commonly seen.. it's the silkscreened image printed on t-shirts worn by anti-capitalists (which in itself is the definition of irony) that is famous.. I'd say the photo of Hitler standing in front of the Eiffel Tower has been seen by more people than the actual photo of Che.. but it's a moot point
dadsm3
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Karsh's portrait of Churchill?
doubs43
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Not that it's worth a tinker's damn in the grand scheme of things but it was exactly 41 years ago today that I reported to Fort Holabird, MD, and was enlisted into the United States Air Force.
I have undying admiration for the men who fought WW2. I also salute the courage of the photographers who recorded so much of it while their own lives were in danger.
The kiss in Times Square on VJ Day taken by Alfred Eisenstadt has been reproduced a few times too.
Walker
I have undying admiration for the men who fought WW2. I also salute the courage of the photographers who recorded so much of it while their own lives were in danger.
The kiss in Times Square on VJ Day taken by Alfred Eisenstadt has been reproduced a few times too.
Walker
JoshRoot
The NW will rise again.
The Iwo Jima photo was taken on my birthday (though not the day of my birth), who knew? That's just the sort of useless fact that will stick in my brain and push out something useful like the develoment time for Tri-x in d-76.
I actually think the VJ day photo gives the Iwo one a good run for it's money. I wouldn't bet against either of them in a "most reproduced war photo" race.
I actually think the VJ day photo gives the Iwo one a good run for it's money. I wouldn't bet against either of them in a "most reproduced war photo" race.
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