I'm curious to hear from people who own both the G1 and the EP1.
How do they compare? What the the advantages / disadvantages of each?
Thanks
Stephen
How do they compare? What the the advantages / disadvantages of each?
Thanks
Stephen
Tuolumne
Veteran
Good question. I have the G1 and it's about all I use these days. And that's been since it came out. Not a flash in the pan (excuse the pun).
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sebastel
coarse art umbrascriptor
advantages G1:
both EVF and the folding display offer more versatility
advantages E-P1:
it just suits my hands better
since i use the finder as finder and not for the final result, the G1 must go.
please note, that this decision is hardly related to "hard" facts - it's a decision taken by "belly" rather than mind.
s.
both EVF and the folding display offer more versatility
advantages E-P1:
it just suits my hands better
since i use the finder as finder and not for the final result, the G1 must go.
please note, that this decision is hardly related to "hard" facts - it's a decision taken by "belly" rather than mind.
s.
Traut
Well-known
Your comments confuse me. If you use the finder as a finder then why are you getting rid of it? The EP1 doesn't have any finder.
I think the lack of a flash on a go anywhere camera is short sighted. THe small size makes you want to take it with you. Add the flash and you use the smallness benefit.
I have the G1 and enjoy using it woth a 50mm 1.2 FD Canon more than with tmy Leica glass. THe 85mm 1.4 Nikon is also a great low light lens on it.
tgoods
Member
Stephen, I wanted to let you know that I received my E-P1 from B&H and the M-mount/Micro Four-Thirds Adapter Ring from you. I have been using the camera with my 15mm/4.5 and love it. I am also using a 28mm viewfinder. See the photo below. There are very little adjustments that need to be made to make this work. The camera needs to be put in manual focus, and I like to turn off the LCD to save power since I am not using the live view or manual focus assist of the camera. That is really all that needs to be done. Zone focusing and slight adjustments of the focusing tab are really easy. The 28mm VF paired with the 15mm lens provides a slightly wider view, but I do not find this to be an issue. The same is true when I pair the 28/2 Ultron with a 50mm VF. Picture taking feels very similar to using my R4A. The E-P1 is about the same size and weight.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2631/3721266798_11045b7da1.jpg?v=0
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2631/3721266798_11045b7da1.jpg?v=0
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panzerneo
Member
Flash and viewfinder are a false issue
Flash and viewfinder are a false issue
Like you I thought the flash would be an issue.
But when I look at the last time I used a flash, I realize, just like the viewfinder, it just doesn't matter at all!
My first digital camera (after running on R2/Leica/Pentax for years) was a Canon G7. I picked it because I felt safer with a viewfinder and a flash. 2 years later, I can tell you I have not taken a single flash picture that was worth a damn. And I don't use the viewfinder at all, as it turned out to be either redundant, slower to use, and overall inefficient. So, to conclude, I think people should look at the data, their past shooting and conclude whether it's an issue or not. For me, it just isn't.
Flash and viewfinder are a false issue
Like you I thought the flash would be an issue.
But when I look at the last time I used a flash, I realize, just like the viewfinder, it just doesn't matter at all!
My first digital camera (after running on R2/Leica/Pentax for years) was a Canon G7. I picked it because I felt safer with a viewfinder and a flash. 2 years later, I can tell you I have not taken a single flash picture that was worth a damn. And I don't use the viewfinder at all, as it turned out to be either redundant, slower to use, and overall inefficient. So, to conclude, I think people should look at the data, their past shooting and conclude whether it's an issue or not. For me, it just isn't.
FPjohn
Well-known
Not asking for much
Not asking for much
http://ogiroux.wordpress.com/category/cameras/
this may be of interest - especially the leica speculation.
I have a question for those with both the G1 and EP1 - any TriElmar shots ?
yours
FPJ
Not asking for much
http://ogiroux.wordpress.com/category/cameras/
this may be of interest - especially the leica speculation.
I have a question for those with both the G1 and EP1 - any TriElmar shots ?
yours
FPJ
FPjohn
Well-known
Did I really kill this thread?
yours
FPJ
yours
FPJ
mackigator
Well-known
My quick thoughts is that the image quality is very similar so why not save a bundle and shoot the G1? Any dual camera owners want to weigh in on this slightly more specific idea?
Pickett Wilson
Veteran
As sebastal said, it has little to do with logic. The E-P1 is cool. Nothing wrong with that.
kbg32
neo-romanticist
http://ogiroux.wordpress.com/category/cameras/
this may be of interest - especially the leica speculation.
I have a question for those with both the G1 and EP1 - any TriElmar shots ?
yours
FPJ
I find this link interesting, especially about the short review that Sean Reid did with the G1 and Leica lenses. The G1's lenses perform better on the G1 then Leica lenses adapted to it. But the M8 with Leica lenses, blew away the G1. This is not to say the chip in the G1 is bad, because it isn't.
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250swb
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But you shouldn't read to much into the M8 'blew the G1 away'.
G1 lenses are telecentric in design, and the 4/3 sensor is designed to work with that. So for instance wider lenses that are not telecentric (35mm) will cause fall off at the corners of the 4/3 sensor. Longer lenses have less of a problem covering the area evenly because of the light path. So it is far less to do with the inherent nature of the 4/3 sensor, but the problems caused by 35mm lenses, which will obviously work well on a sensor designed for them, such as the Leica M8. So, dare I say, if you use a premium Olympus ZD lens on the G1 (or E-P1) the resolution will be very much Leica M8 like (or better) in comparable parameters. Remember, the G1 out resolves the Nikon D3, so there is nothing wrong that using the correct lens cannot fix.
Steve
sebastel
coarse art umbrascriptor
em .... the E-P1 has a display that is supposed to work as a finder - so, the pen actually has a finder.
what i wanted to express is that i do not use the finder for displaying pictures - but for its original purpose only, as a finder. and since both the G1 finders and the pen's display work equally well for me (as finders), this technical advantage of the G1 does not "play".
i almost never use flash, and when i used the builtin flash of the G1, it gave me nothing but problems. either too much light, or not enough light - depending on the settings. but never right. so, the G1 flash does not work for me. but, that's why i did not mention the flash in the first place - no difference for me.
as for lenses, the same. no real difference to me:
some lenses work for me on both cameras (olympus 9-18, 17, and 40-150, c-sonnar, biogon 25mm and 35mm, P/K mount 1.2/55mm porst, OM 50mm macro and 1.8, M42 takumar 3.5/135).
other lenses don't work for me on both (especially the panasonic kit 14-45 - technically a fine lens, but just not my kind of thing).
in the end, it's just the feel of the camera in my hands. and while the G1 is just OK, the pen is "at home" immediately. now you guess what camera to use is more joy?
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panzerneo
Member
"My G1 is bigger than your E-P1!"
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dougyau
Member
Hi Cameraquest,
I have both the G1 and the E-P1. G1 is lighter and has a better grip. E-P1 feels more solid and looks more refined and polished. Auto focus on the G1 is snappier. E-P1 can auto focus the Oly 50-200/2.8 SWD, G1 cannot. E-P1 can shoot in 6:6 format. The swivel screen on the G1 is the most missed feature on the E-P1. Sensor image stabilization is the most missed feature on the G1. Stabilization on the E-P1 works really well and does make a big difference when shooting with longer focal length lenses. It's impossible to get a clean shot with the Oly 70-300 at 300mm with the G1 handheld.
Manual focus assist on the G1 is better implemented than the E-P1. In fact, the G1 had the same problem before the firmware update that instructs the camera to return to normal view upon pressing of the shutter button. As is, when one uses the E-P1 manual focus assist, one would press "ok" (having set the screen to have the little green square in the middle), focus and then press ok again to return to full view and then shoot. With lenses like the Noctilux or the 75mm Summilux, that movement may cause the focus to be off when shot. With the G1, manual focus is "left button" "set", focus, shutter button and shoot. Just slightly more convenient.
Love both cameras.
Cheers,
dougyau
I have both the G1 and the E-P1. G1 is lighter and has a better grip. E-P1 feels more solid and looks more refined and polished. Auto focus on the G1 is snappier. E-P1 can auto focus the Oly 50-200/2.8 SWD, G1 cannot. E-P1 can shoot in 6:6 format. The swivel screen on the G1 is the most missed feature on the E-P1. Sensor image stabilization is the most missed feature on the G1. Stabilization on the E-P1 works really well and does make a big difference when shooting with longer focal length lenses. It's impossible to get a clean shot with the Oly 70-300 at 300mm with the G1 handheld.
Manual focus assist on the G1 is better implemented than the E-P1. In fact, the G1 had the same problem before the firmware update that instructs the camera to return to normal view upon pressing of the shutter button. As is, when one uses the E-P1 manual focus assist, one would press "ok" (having set the screen to have the little green square in the middle), focus and then press ok again to return to full view and then shoot. With lenses like the Noctilux or the 75mm Summilux, that movement may cause the focus to be off when shot. With the G1, manual focus is "left button" "set", focus, shutter button and shoot. Just slightly more convenient.
Love both cameras.
Cheers,
dougyau