Pherdinand
the snow must go on
I just bought a macbook.
I like it alot, but it IS a pain that about everybody uses Windows at work (university). I can't get the usual multi-license software, i can't get hooked on the network disk drives. There's no Origin for Mac OS, only Igor which is extremely expensive and the IT guys will NOT buy it for me. And so on.
But i still am glad i bought it. The small 13" wide screen is surprisingly good, although the vertical viewing angle is small. I bet that 20" (or 24") iMac is fantastic. I looked on it in the apple store for a short while but then ran away, temptation was high.
I like it alot, but it IS a pain that about everybody uses Windows at work (university). I can't get the usual multi-license software, i can't get hooked on the network disk drives. There's no Origin for Mac OS, only Igor which is extremely expensive and the IT guys will NOT buy it for me. And so on.
But i still am glad i bought it. The small 13" wide screen is surprisingly good, although the vertical viewing angle is small. I bet that 20" (or 24") iMac is fantastic. I looked on it in the apple store for a short while but then ran away, temptation was high.
kaiyen
local man of mystery
Pherdinand,
One question (i don't want to touch mac vs. Pc, though I completely empathize (not just sympathize) with trying to use a mac in a pc-dominated environment, even at a university):
why can't you connect to network shares with your mac? There isn't any reason why you shouldn't be able to...
allan
One question (i don't want to touch mac vs. Pc, though I completely empathize (not just sympathize) with trying to use a mac in a pc-dominated environment, even at a university):
why can't you connect to network shares with your mac? There isn't any reason why you shouldn't be able to...
allan
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
Allan -
that's a good question.
There's nobody around me that would know the answer.
I hook up to the same network. I can log on to the same server(s). I have internet access.
I just cannot see the network drives like i do with a Win XP-based computer. They just aren't there.
that's a good question.
There's nobody around me that would know the answer.
I hook up to the same network. I can log on to the same server(s). I have internet access.
I just cannot see the network drives like i do with a Win XP-based computer. They just aren't there.
tkluck
Well-known
If you invest the time it takes to understand Linux in understanding Windoze you will wind up with the most bang for your buck. And by a very wide margin.
I've got no great love for Microsoft, but face it at the moment they rule the world.
Besides, the best games only run an a PC...
I've got no great love for Microsoft, but face it at the moment they rule the world.
Besides, the best games only run an a PC...
kaiyen
local man of mystery
Pherdinand,
If the issue is literally just the ability to connect, then it's either that Servicers for Macintosh are not started on the Windows server, you need the Microsoft UAM (microsoft.com/mac, other products), or both.
I don't think that the computers showing up in the "Connect to Server" features in OS X is great, but if you know the name of the server, you can connect via AFP or SMB (the latter being preferable). Once you've connected once, that server shows up on your list of previously connected ones.
This works even if the windows computer is in a domain, btw. Though a domain windows box can't connect to a mac.
allan
If the issue is literally just the ability to connect, then it's either that Servicers for Macintosh are not started on the Windows server, you need the Microsoft UAM (microsoft.com/mac, other products), or both.
I don't think that the computers showing up in the "Connect to Server" features in OS X is great, but if you know the name of the server, you can connect via AFP or SMB (the latter being preferable). Once you've connected once, that server shows up on your list of previously connected ones.
This works even if the windows computer is in a domain, btw. Though a domain windows box can't connect to a mac.
allan
michael.panoff
Established
my 2 cents:
- photoshop running under rosetta on a mac is slow, my PC has become a dedicated photography machine -- both for scanning and photoshopping
- i used to be hardcore pc head, professionally I'm a software developer.. java web-applications, I've completely transitioned to the mac. I run parallels on my macs (mini and macbook pro) if I need to use IE or some other windows specific software.
- photoshop under parallels is slow, but bootcamp should be fine.. one of these days adobe will release the universal version of photoshop
- there is a unix like packaging system for macs, for x11 apps, you will have to install the x11 software from apple (it on the OS X cd) then get this: http://fink.sourceforge.net/download/ and this http://finkcommander.sourceforge.net/
- load you mac with 2 gigs of memory, it really makes them scream.. don't buy the memory from apple, total rip. Go to Fry's and get the Patriot dealio, install yourself.. save a couple hundred bucks
- photoshop running under rosetta on a mac is slow, my PC has become a dedicated photography machine -- both for scanning and photoshopping
- i used to be hardcore pc head, professionally I'm a software developer.. java web-applications, I've completely transitioned to the mac. I run parallels on my macs (mini and macbook pro) if I need to use IE or some other windows specific software.
- photoshop under parallels is slow, but bootcamp should be fine.. one of these days adobe will release the universal version of photoshop
- there is a unix like packaging system for macs, for x11 apps, you will have to install the x11 software from apple (it on the OS X cd) then get this: http://fink.sourceforge.net/download/ and this http://finkcommander.sourceforge.net/
- load you mac with 2 gigs of memory, it really makes them scream.. don't buy the memory from apple, total rip. Go to Fry's and get the Patriot dealio, install yourself.. save a couple hundred bucks
kmonroe6
Newbie
More 2 cents:
I switched last spring to a Macbook Pro. I use Parallels (http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/) to run Windows XP when needed. Parallels will run a number of OS including "any Linux distribution." I haven't tried a Linux install yet.
Photoshop may be slower but I don't really notice it. If I could do it over, I'd get the new 24" iMac and install Parallels on it. Then! - I'd get the MacBook (the small one) just to have something to keep my lap warm when sitting.
I switched last spring to a Macbook Pro. I use Parallels (http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/) to run Windows XP when needed. Parallels will run a number of OS including "any Linux distribution." I haven't tried a Linux install yet.
Photoshop may be slower but I don't really notice it. If I could do it over, I'd get the new 24" iMac and install Parallels on it. Then! - I'd get the MacBook (the small one) just to have something to keep my lap warm when sitting.
Goodyear
Happy-snap ninja
I don't know. Running on OS X under Rosetta on the MacBook, Word is a little slow (bring on the Universal), but it's a much nicer environment than on Windows. That's how I find it, anyway.John Camp said:
Meh. Don't know about that either. I would put it the other way round: the time invested in Winows, invest in Linux... Or go OS X and get the sexiest UI with the power of a *nix system.tkluck said:
Popularity is not a measure of goodness. Nor is price. Look at us, a ghetto in the world of PnS digicams
That's okay, I keep an old PC, too. Plenty good for Half-Life 2tkluck said:
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
Thanks Kaiyen for the details. I will look into these things, especially to see what the server is running and what it is not. Although i'm afraid i'll have no influence on that.
I also thought about the game issue but lately i don't play that often, and if i do, i play with stupid small games for a short while, games that are available for mac as well. Like "neverball".
Photoshop on my macbook is fast enough. I use it for scanning and editing lately. I just wish the hard disk would be 10x as much as it is now (almost time for an external disk!).
Warming up my lap, indeed. The small MacBook is great for that!
I also thought about the game issue
but lately i don't play that often, and if i do, i play with stupid small games for a short while, games that are available for mac as well. Like "neverball".Photoshop on my macbook is fast enough. I use it for scanning and editing lately. I just wish the hard disk would be 10x as much as it is now (almost time for an external disk!).
Warming up my lap, indeed. The small MacBook is great for that!
jrong
Too many cameras
Windows is just awful, no matter how much time you invest in it. It's a severely crippled system that treats its users like idiots or very small children. I only wish I'd invested the time to learn Latex when I was in university, instead of writing my thesis on Microsoft Word 2.0 and wasting hours of work because of freezes/crashes and having to save each chapter into a separate floppy, "just in case". Never again!
Is Fink something like rpm's for Fedora/RH Linux-ers?
You see, all these terms like "bootcamp" etc. don't make any sense to me, not ever having used a Mac. But it has occurred to me that my KDE desktop kind of resembles a Mac, and the 20" is so seriously tempting (Ok, 24"... but my desk is a bit small...).
If I save all my mail in a textfile like mbox, will I be able to import it into Apple Mail?
Sorry for the geek questions on this forum but I seem to be locked out of all the geek forums from here at work, strangely enough... but they have forgotten to lock the RF forum.
Jin
It's a severely crippled system that treats its users like idiots or very small children. I only wish I'd invested the time to learn Latex when I was in university, instead of writing my thesis on Microsoft Word 2.0 and wasting hours of work because of freezes/crashes and having to save each chapter into a separate floppy, "just in case". Never again!Is Fink something like rpm's for Fedora/RH Linux-ers?
You see, all these terms like "bootcamp" etc. don't make any sense to me, not ever having used a Mac. But it has occurred to me that my KDE desktop kind of resembles a Mac, and the 20" is so seriously tempting (Ok, 24"... but my desk is a bit small...).
If I save all my mail in a textfile like mbox, will I be able to import it into Apple Mail?
Sorry for the geek questions on this forum but I seem to be locked out of all the geek forums from here at work, strangely enough... but they have forgotten to lock the RF forum.
Jin
Goodyear
Happy-snap ninja
BootCamp is Apple's software (really just a basic partitioning package, bootloader and collection of hardware drivers) for runing windows on the newer intel-based macs.jrong said:
What mail software do you ue currently? I prefer Thunderbird oer Apple Mail anyway.
jrong
Too many cameras
I'm using KMail (KDE's default mail client) on Linux. It works very well for me. I have the ability to export my mail in mbox format (which is basically just one huge ASCII text file) and want to know whether it is possible to import mail in that format in any of the Mac's popular email clients.
Jin
Jin
foolstop
Member
Hi jrong,
I am using WinXP, Mac (mini) and Redhat at the same time.
may I can summarize the the situation for you.
1. Go visit apple dot com and see your options if you want to choose the Mac route. If you want to add as little hardware as possible in order to save space, you may choose the Mac mini, it is really small.
Just need to add a KVM switch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch) and your Mac and PC can share the same set of keyboard, monitor and mouse.
2. The new, current batch of Mac machines use Intel CPU just like your PC, you have many choices here:-
a. like dual booting between Linux and Win$ in your PC, using GRUB or Lilo in Linux, you can dual/multi- boot your Mac machines for Linux, MacOSX and Win$ using "bootcamp" from Apple.
b. or you may choose to run a system emulator software (now they have a new method called virtualization because of new hardware support from the CPU) like the "Paralllels" from parallels.com, it is not expensive, you can run Win$ or Intel based Linux distributions on top of your MacOSX by using the software Parallels, the guess OS (e.g. Redhat) runs like an application. Then you can run whatever softwares you like, Latex or KDE etc on your Linux, there may be certain degree of performance penalty though.
c. If you want to compile and run your Unix software on MacOSX, you may do so as the GCC complier for OSX is included in the installation disk, called the Xcode, it would be installed automatically. If you want to compile a Linux version of your code, you need to compile it within Linux using the Linux GCC compiler as the Mac is a BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) based kernel which is different from the Linux kernel hence the compilers are different.
c. In fact, a lot of Linux softwares have OSX version, even the heavy weight server softwares like Apache, php etc. If you really need to run some X11 based codes on the MacOSX directly, you have an option, using the X11 for Mac OS X, http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/x11/
d. I have been using KMail in the past, now I have switched to Thunderbird,
http://www.mozilla.org/download.html
It works like KMail, may be even better, may be you can give it a trial.
And the following link from Thunderbird tells you how to migrate from KMail to Thunderbird.
http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/faq#kmail
3. As some people have suggested, just switch to Mac and don't look back, despite the BSD kernel, and the beautiful appearance and user friendly interface, under the hood, it is an Unix, you can find most of the corresponding Linux counterparts from OSX, including the command line (terminal)interface, user management etc. Nevertheless, I must admit that the only drawback of using Linux is the monitor calibration and lack of colour space support in the GIMP (yet), you would benefit from the Mac after switching to OSX.
4. Last, good luck!
I am using WinXP, Mac (mini) and Redhat at the same time.
may I can summarize the the situation for you.
1. Go visit apple dot com and see your options if you want to choose the Mac route. If you want to add as little hardware as possible in order to save space, you may choose the Mac mini, it is really small.
Just need to add a KVM switch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch) and your Mac and PC can share the same set of keyboard, monitor and mouse.
2. The new, current batch of Mac machines use Intel CPU just like your PC, you have many choices here:-
a. like dual booting between Linux and Win$ in your PC, using GRUB or Lilo in Linux, you can dual/multi- boot your Mac machines for Linux, MacOSX and Win$ using "bootcamp" from Apple.
b. or you may choose to run a system emulator software (now they have a new method called virtualization because of new hardware support from the CPU) like the "Paralllels" from parallels.com, it is not expensive, you can run Win$ or Intel based Linux distributions on top of your MacOSX by using the software Parallels, the guess OS (e.g. Redhat) runs like an application. Then you can run whatever softwares you like, Latex or KDE etc on your Linux, there may be certain degree of performance penalty though.
c. If you want to compile and run your Unix software on MacOSX, you may do so as the GCC complier for OSX is included in the installation disk, called the Xcode, it would be installed automatically. If you want to compile a Linux version of your code, you need to compile it within Linux using the Linux GCC compiler as the Mac is a BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) based kernel which is different from the Linux kernel hence the compilers are different.
c. In fact, a lot of Linux softwares have OSX version, even the heavy weight server softwares like Apache, php etc. If you really need to run some X11 based codes on the MacOSX directly, you have an option, using the X11 for Mac OS X, http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/x11/
d. I have been using KMail in the past, now I have switched to Thunderbird,
http://www.mozilla.org/download.html
It works like KMail, may be even better, may be you can give it a trial.
And the following link from Thunderbird tells you how to migrate from KMail to Thunderbird.
http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/faq#kmail
3. As some people have suggested, just switch to Mac and don't look back, despite the BSD kernel, and the beautiful appearance and user friendly interface, under the hood, it is an Unix, you can find most of the corresponding Linux counterparts from OSX, including the command line (terminal)interface, user management etc. Nevertheless, I must admit that the only drawback of using Linux is the monitor calibration and lack of colour space support in the GIMP (yet), you would benefit from the Mac after switching to OSX.
4. Last, good luck!
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kmack
do your job, then let go
jrong said:
Yes, the OS X mail.app will import mbox format.
amoz
Established
Dear jrong,
You've gotten a lot of good advice already, let me just add/confirm that as far as LaTeX goes, TeXShop and BibTeX make a killer combo on a mac. I have been using Kile on SuSE/KDE as well, but this thing --as so many things mac-- makes life easier (and not in a add-more-gadgets kind of way).
Good luck!
You've gotten a lot of good advice already, let me just add/confirm that as far as LaTeX goes, TeXShop and BibTeX make a killer combo on a mac. I have been using Kile on SuSE/KDE as well, but this thing --as so many things mac-- makes life easier (and not in a add-more-gadgets kind of way).
Good luck!
S
Stu :)
Guest
Currently I'm running a PC and Mac side by side with a PowerBook thrown in for good measure. With Apple going Intel based; which I think is a good thing and all the howling Mac purists can go take a jump; and the coming of age of OSX, I don't think the PC will feature much more in my future. Especially with what I've seen of beta versions of Vista.
Personally I foresee a MacBookPro with loads of external storage, dual booting XP for games like Age of Empires, Cossacks, GTA and those old DOS games I love and been playing for the last 15 years! Only thing I don't like is iTunes- I'm a Winamp guy.
Stu
P.S. Want to know what Microsoft did with all the surplus PowerPC chips when they got Apple and Intel hand-in-hand? Open a one of those Xbox 360s... "hmm, this looks just like an old G5, hang on a minute!..."
Personally I foresee a MacBookPro with loads of external storage, dual booting XP for games like Age of Empires, Cossacks, GTA and those old DOS games I love and been playing for the last 15 years! Only thing I don't like is iTunes- I'm a Winamp guy.
Stu
P.S. Want to know what Microsoft did with all the surplus PowerPC chips when they got Apple and Intel hand-in-hand? Open a one of those Xbox 360s... "hmm, this looks just like an old G5, hang on a minute!..."
jrong
Too many cameras
Thanks guys, you have all been very persuasive. I think I've made up my mind to get an iMac with a 20" display.
I'll keep both systems running for a transition period, until I migrate all my favourite apps over....
I hope I don't regret this when Vista comes out...
The iMac looks like an integrated display+computer system - how on earth do I open it myself to add more RAM? Won't that violate the warranty?
Jin
I'll keep both systems running for a transition period, until I migrate all my favourite apps over....
I hope I don't regret this when Vista comes out...
The iMac looks like an integrated display+computer system - how on earth do I open it myself to add more RAM? Won't that violate the warranty?
Jin
ClaremontPhoto
Jon Claremont
You can open it dead simple. Instructions on the net. Five minute job.
willie_901
Veteran
Welcome to the Mac world.
As Jon said it is trivial to add memory. The iMac manual has a perfectly clear section on this. Adding memory does not violate the warrenty. However if you happen to purchase defective thord-party memory Apple will not be much help. Of course you can keep the shipment memory for a while in the unlikely event the third-party memory becomes suspect.
willie
As Jon said it is trivial to add memory. The iMac manual has a perfectly clear section on this. Adding memory does not violate the warrenty. However if you happen to purchase defective thord-party memory Apple will not be much help. Of course you can keep the shipment memory for a while in the unlikely event the third-party memory becomes suspect.
willie
jrong
Too many cameras
Thanks a lot for the tips.
Once I get my iMac up and running, listen to me moan about how much Photoshop CS costs.....
Jin
Once I get my iMac up and running, listen to me moan about how much Photoshop CS costs.....
Jin