willie_901
Veteran
Roland,
You are correct, my post was oversimplified.
But the point remains that image aesthetics of CCD sensors can vary as much as CMOS sensors.
I am not implying the data you shared is inaccurate. I'm only saying each sensor bed (just the pinned-diode bits) has a different response). This is no different than saying the passive color-filter array and IR materials' properties have a profound impact on image aesthetics.
The M monochrome response is not perfectly linear... but Leica considers it to be panchromatic.(link).
In general, the physical housing of the pinned-diodes does affect frequency response. A lot of research has gone into how to minimize the those variables. Differences in pinned-diode semi-conductor doping chemistry are also relevant.
But in the end both CCDD and CMOS sensor beds just count photons using pinned-diodes. The major differences (ignoring the CFA and IR filter in front of the sensor bed) involves the signal processing after the shutter closes.
More technical informatin is found here (link) and here.
You are correct, my post was oversimplified.
- The basic wavelength - energy dependency is constant for all photo-diodes. So this factor cancels out.
- Beyond the unavoidable, constant frequency dependence, the total pinned-diode frequency response depends on may factors but few of these are related to CCD vs CMOS.
But the point remains that image aesthetics of CCD sensors can vary as much as CMOS sensors.
I am not implying the data you shared is inaccurate. I'm only saying each sensor bed (just the pinned-diode bits) has a different response). This is no different than saying the passive color-filter array and IR materials' properties have a profound impact on image aesthetics.
The M monochrome response is not perfectly linear... but Leica considers it to be panchromatic.(link).
In general, the physical housing of the pinned-diodes does affect frequency response. A lot of research has gone into how to minimize the those variables. Differences in pinned-diode semi-conductor doping chemistry are also relevant.
But in the end both CCDD and CMOS sensor beds just count photons using pinned-diodes. The major differences (ignoring the CFA and IR filter in front of the sensor bed) involves the signal processing after the shutter closes.
More technical informatin is found here (link) and here.
lynnb
Veteran
Please correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't it be possible to produce an M-mount digital XPan that produced 2.40:1 widescreen format using an anamorphic lens, and regular 3:2 with standard M lenses?
All Hasselblad would need to do is
1. produce an anamorphic lens in M mount to give a compressed 2.40:1 image, and
2. provide either in-camera processing or user-installed software to convert the anamorphic image
All Hasselblad would need to do is
1. produce an anamorphic lens in M mount to give a compressed 2.40:1 image, and
2. provide either in-camera processing or user-installed software to convert the anamorphic image
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
Please correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't it be possible to produce an M-mount digital XPan that produced 2.40:1 widescreen format using an anamorphic lens, and regular 3:2 with standard M lenses?
All Hasselblad would need to do is
1. produce an anamorphic lens in M mount to give a compressed 2.40:1 image, and
2. provide either in-camera processing or user-installed software to convert the anamorphic image
That's a rather compelling and appealing idea!
lynnb
Veteran
A high megapixel sensor makes this idea feasible without sacrificing image quality!
FrozenInTime
Well-known
Now Fujifilm are hinting they have something similar in the pipeline:
http://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-mirrorless-medium-format-camera-coming/
And Leica are trying to clear stock of the M.240 'In commemoration of 10 years of digital M photography' ( yeah right ! )
http://www.reddotforum.com/content/2016/06/leica-usa-offers-m-camera-trade-up-promotion-with-750-rebate/
http://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-mirrorless-medium-format-camera-coming/
And Leica are trying to clear stock of the M.240 'In commemoration of 10 years of digital M photography' ( yeah right ! )
http://www.reddotforum.com/content/2016/06/leica-usa-offers-m-camera-trade-up-promotion-with-750-rebate/
ChrisPlatt
Thread Killer
Where the hell is Kobayashi-san?
Chris
Chris
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
Now Fujifilm are hinting they have something similar in the pipeline:
If Fuji is in the game, it might be something more serious than we could expect from Hasselblad alone - now that the partnership with Sony has fallen through, Fuji is the only serious camera body manufacturer that supplies Hasselblad.
And Leica are trying to clear stock of the M.240 'In commemoration of 10 years of digital M photography' ( yeah right ! )
http://www.reddotforum.com/content/2016/06/leica-usa-offers-m-camera-trade-up-promotion-with-750-rebate/
aka the M240's replacement is coming to Photokina
_lou_
Established
It looks like it could be a new Hasselblad. I got an email from the Hasselblad retailers annoucing a new product to be detailed in a press conference on June 23rd. Maybe they collaborated with Fuji like in the days of the X-Pan, or with Sony like more recently. In any case, don't expect the price tag to be your friend.
It looks like it could be a new Hasselblad. I got an email from the Hasselblad retailers annoucing a new product to be detailed in a press conference on June 23rd. Maybe they collaborated with Fuji like in the days of the X-Pan, or with Sony like more recently. In any case, don't expect the price tag to be your friend.
No, that's a medium format mirrorless camera with a hassy mount.
aizan
Veteran
the second teaser image:
along with the first, it looks like the camera might be an slr-style body. camera lust is dead, especially since it doesn't look like the sensor will be a unique aspect ratio (square or panoramic). meh. i'm hoping that the second image is of the grip side of the camera like the first, only taken from the back. it could still be a rangefinder-style body.

along with the first, it looks like the camera might be an slr-style body. camera lust is dead, especially since it doesn't look like the sensor will be a unique aspect ratio (square or panoramic). meh. i'm hoping that the second image is of the grip side of the camera like the first, only taken from the back. it could still be a rangefinder-style body.

Godfrey
somewhat colored
I'll be delighted to see the new Hasselblad, whether game changer or not, since it will be the first all-new camera they've produced since the most recent management change.
It likely won't make any difference to my own equipment cabinet, however, since I have pretty much everything I need and a good bit more than I really want already. Time for the gear sale ...
G
It likely won't make any difference to my own equipment cabinet, however, since I have pretty much everything I need and a good bit more than I really want already. Time for the gear sale ...
G
Waus
Well-known
That's not it...
maggieo
More Deadly
I concur- Zeiss and Ricoh are the leading contenders, with Leica coming in a close third.
I concur- Zeiss and Ricoh are the leading contenders, with Leica coming in a close third.
Ricoh? They have the Pentax mount.
eujin
Member
In his latest post on Prosophos, he confirms that it is NOT Leica that's making this camera.
FrozenInTime
Well-known
'H' = Hexar ?
Konica brand resurrected by Sony ?
Konica brand resurrected by Sony ?
I would love to see a new CCD M mount camera,
but I'm wondering if the name plate reads Vaporware.
but I'm wondering if the name plate reads Vaporware.
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