Photographer arrested at Texas Octoberfest gathering

[parks5920]

Welcome to TEXAS, YEE-HAW!

 

[bmattock]

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Older men taking pictures of young public booty falls under the latter two freedoms.

Is it a thought crime to pretend these inalienable rights exist when states pass laws that infringe upon them?

You bet! I insist that the state of Texas be closed for investigation (and then rightfully be given back to the Mexicans).

It is interesting that so many advertisements are designed to appeal to middle-aged and older men (because research shows we have all the money) and the images presented are those of young, in some cases very young, girl/women. We are SUPPOSED to be attracted. But, ah, let's not pretend that they really meant it.

OK to look at Britney or whomever the pop-tart of the month is on MTV, or selling lipstick or shampoo on TV, but you'd better not stare in public, you sick old man. Just by the products advertised and keep your nasty thoughts to yourself. Until we want you to buy something again.

It used to be "Look, but don't touch."

Now, it is "Look when we tell you to look, stop when we tell you to stop, and don't even THINK about it what you'd like to do to that, or we'll put your wrinkly old ass in prison." We put the evil thoughts in your head, but you're still evil for having them.

Funny old world.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

 

[kiev4a]

I have visited Texas once (San Antonio area, several years ago). I have to say, in defense of that state, that the people we met were some of the most friendly we have encountered anywhere in the country. Seems to me it's overreacting a little to condemn the entire state because of one law with which you don't agree.

I have the same general feeling about New York's Sullivan Law. I also don't like the fact that a lot New Yorkers seem to believe there is no civilization west of the Hudson River. But that would not stop me from visiting New York if I had a reason, which I don't. Besides, me refusing to visit New York on "principle" is going to upset New Yorkers about as much as Texans will be upset if a few photographers avoid their state because of their photo restrictions.

 

[bmattock]

I have visited Texas once (San Antonio area, several years ago). I have to say, in defense of that state, that the people we met were some of the most friendly we have encountered anywhere in the country. Seems to me it's overreacting a little to condemn the entire state because of one law with which you don't agree.

I have the same general feeling about New York's Sullivan Law. I also don't like the fact that a lot New Yorkers seem to believe there is no civilization west of the Hudson River. But that would not stop me from visiting New York if I had a reason, which I don't. Besides, me refusing to visit New York on "principle" is going to upset New Yorkers about as much as Texans will be upset if a few photographers avoid their state because of their photo restrictions.

Yeah, you're right. I'm talking out my, ahem, again.

Although, having been raised mostly in Colorado from the age of 12, we had a problem with Texans who come to Colorado for the huntin'. The local ranchers have to paint the word "COW" on the side of their cows, lest they be taken for Elk, shot, tagged, and driven back down to Texas.

We used to marvel at their 20K four-wheel-drives (this was back in the 1970's, when 20K was a lot), their 4K custom rifles, and the nice holes they put in every road sign they saw on I-70 West from Denver to the Continental Divide.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

 

[FrankS]

This has been a most interesting thread. Thankyou Bill, for your analysis of the issue!

 

[oftheherd]

I believe a person can bring suit for wrongful arrest, but in general to win, one has to prove malicious intent, not a simple mistake or the person being found not guilty or having the charges dropped. As to expunging his record, I don't think they can remove an arrest record - technically it is not the same as a 'criminal record' even though it will still be there when the police do a search.

But I am not a lawyer.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

I am not a lawyer either, but my understanding is that if a state agrees to expunge an arrest record, it is removed from the system, and if it was reported to the FBI, they are to be notified and they will also remove it from their system. It then no longer exists to be retrieved.

 

[kiev4a]

Yeah, you're right. I'm talking out my, ahem, again.

Although, having been raised mostly in Colorado from the age of 12, we had a problem with Texans who come to Colorado for the huntin'. The local ranchers have to paint the word "COW" on the side of their cows, lest they be taken for Elk, shot, tagged, and driven back down to Texas.

We used to marvel at their 20K four-wheel-drives (this was back in the 1970's, when 20K was a lot), their 4K custom rifles, and the nice holes they put in every road sign they saw on I-70 West from Denver to the Continental Divide.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

Bill:

OT slightly:

I learned my lesson about bad mouthing other states many years ago when I wrote a newspaper column about traveling through Nebraska and how the only place more boring than Nebraska was Kansas, and only because it was flatter. I forgot that about half the people in our state (at that time) had family roots in Kansas and Nebraska and they immediately sent the column to the folks back home. I received angry letters from Omaha to Scotts Bluff and just about every town between. Nothing from Kansas, however -- apparently they couldn't come up with any evidence to refute my observation🙂

Out here we must constantly deal with the to total lack of geographic knowledge of people on the east coast. One on occasion, I tried to explain to a fellow from Boston where Idaho was located. Having no success I finally told him it was "out west."
"Oh, I was out west once," the Bostonian said.
"Where did you go?" I asked.
"Pittsburgh." he replied.
(there are probably some forum members who don't understand why that is funny).

 

[bmattock]

Bill:

OT slightly:

I learned my lesson about bad mouthing other states many years ago when I wrote a newspaper column about traveling through Nebraska and how the only place more boring than Nebraska was Kansas, and only because it was flatter. I forgot that about half the people in our state (at that time) had family roots in Kansas and Nebraska and they immediately sent the column to the folks back home. I received angry letters from Omaha to Scotts Bluff and just about every town between. Nothing from Kansas, however -- apparently they couldn't come up with any evidence to refute my observation🙂

Out here we must constantly deal with the to total lack of geographic knowledge of people on the east coast. One on occasion, I tried to explain to a fellow from Boston where Idaho was located. Having no success I finally told him it was "out west."
"Oh, I was out west once," the Bostonian said.
"Where did you go?" I asked.
"Pittsburgh." he replied.
(there are probably some forum members who don't understand why that is funny).

People from Omaha can write?

And I lived there for two years, and worked for the Weird Harold. Wow, exciting place. They put a video store owner in prison for two years for having a 'hard R' movie under the counter. Stuff you could see in any hotel room's cable system at the time. And drive across the river to Council Bluffs where porno is encouraged and see all the Sarpy County plates on the cars. Bluenoses. Nice folks.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

 

[dmr]

Out here we must constantly deal with the to total lack of geographic knowledge of people on the east coast.

While visiting Cape Cod back in the 80's, I and some friends ran across an older fisherman on the waterfront, sitting there, smoking his pipe, and untangling a net. The conversation went something like this:

He: Hi, where ye be from?

Me: Council Bluffs, Iowa, ever heard of it? (Which was true at that time.)

He: Ah, yes, but back here we pronounce that "Ohio".


Ok, maybe it didn't exactly happen, but it could have happened. 🙂

 

[bmattock]

While visiting Cape Cod back in the 80's, I and some friends ran across an older fisherman on the waterfront, sitting there, smoking his pipe, and untangling a net. The conversation went something like this:

He: Hi, where ye be from?

Me: Council Bluffs, Iowa, ever heard of it? (Which was true at that time.)

He: Ah, yes, but back here we pronounce that "Ohio".


Ok, maybe it didn't exactly happen, but it could have happened. 🙂

Would ye remember Fat Jack's, then?

 

[dmr]

Fat Jack's?

 

[bmattock]

Fat Jack's?

Sorry. Niteclub in Council Bluffs in the mid 1980's. I'm old.

 

[dmr]

Sorry. Niteclub in Council Bluffs in the mid 1980's. I'm old.

Oh, LOL, those were the years when I was married and Living Happily Ever After, so I didn't do those things for a while. 🙂 🙂 🙂 Now I seem to recall the name. Was that one of those places on north 16th?

 

[bmattock]

Oh, LOL, those were the years when I was married and Living Happily Ever After, so I didn't do those things for a while. 🙂 🙂 🙂 Now I seem to recall the name. Was that one of those places on north 16th?

On the right as you crossed over that scary damned bridge from Omaha. Back when Carter Lake was still technically without a state - no police ever came there, no state claimed it. I guess that would be 16th, I forget! It was a huge warehouse-looking thing.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

 

[RJBender]

I have visited Texas once (San Antonio area, several years ago). I have to say, in defense of that state, that the people we met were some of the most friendly we have encountered anywhere in the country. Seems to me it's overreacting a little to condemn the entire state because of one law with which you don't agree...

Wayne, when I go on vacation I like to take pictures. That's why I said I'm not going on vacation in Texas anymore... at least until they repeal that stupid "improper photography" law.

I'm not condemning the people of Texas, just a few of their lawmakers.

BTW how was your lunch break today? 😛

R.J.

 

[dmr]

On the right as you crossed over that scary damned bridge from Omaha. Back when Carter Lake was still technically without a state - no police ever came there, no state claimed it. I guess that would be 16th, I forget! It was a huge warehouse-looking thing.

Sorry for OT, gang.

Are you talking Carter Lake or Council Bluffs?

Carter Lake is geographically in Nebraska but legally in Iowa. Council Bluffs is on the Iowa side of the river.

I was referring to the clubs on north 16th in Council Bluffs, which were 20-bopper hangouts in the 80's.

 

[Kevin]

Wayne, when I go on vacation I like to take pictures. That's why I said I'm not going on vacation in Texas anymore... at least until they repeal that stupid "improper photography" law.

I'm not condemning the people of Texas, just a few of their lawmakers.

And most of their law "enforcers" possibly? Check this out, R.J.
http://gorillamask.net/arresttex.shtml

 

[fgianni]

At least he's alive to complain.😉

How do you know he is still alive, something like that can easily cause heavy internal bleeding, you feel OK and 15 minutes later you are a corpse.

 

[fgianni]

I guess I'm numb to that kind of scene.

Well it is quite unfortunate but I am kinda numb as well, I was just wondering if you guessed he was still alive, or if you had more info than me about the incident.

 

[RJBender]

And most of their law "enforcers" possibly? Check this out, R.J.
http://gorillamask.net/arresttex.shtml

Kevin that is incredibly F'd up! The "alleged purse snatcher" definitely has a broken leg, maybe some broken vertebrae and damage to his internal organs and the arresting officer flips the suspect over, puts his knee in his lower back and handcuffs him! Rodeos are more humane than that BS! It doesn't appear the officer tried to stop until after he ran over him. I didn't see the truck "slide" and the wheels didn't lock up either.

I know some of you are going to say the criminal got what he deserved for "resisting arrest" and as long as y’all behave yourselves you're not going to get the same treatment, right? Just don't run away when someone yells "improper photography" and points their finger at you! 🙁

R.J.