wgerrard
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R I just don't want disproportionate power in the hands of government bureaucrats.
Then who would you prefer have it? Because, if you take it away from government, it will accrue elsewhere.
(You know, it's only brainwashed wingnuts who equate "government" with "socialism" and "corporate dominance" with "free market capitalism". More's the pity.)
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Roger Hicks
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It's interesting how the principal meanings of 'liberal' in English (I quote the OED) are 1: those 'arts' or 'sciences' that were considered 'worthy of a free' man; directed to general intellectual enlargement and refinement or 2: free in bestowing, bountiful, generous or 3: free from restraint, free in speech or action or 4: free from narrow prejudice, open-minded, candid . . . free from bigotry or unreasonable prejudice or 5 ...favourable to . . . reforms tending in the direction of freedom and democracy
And the American right regard all this as an insult.
Cheers,
R.
And the American right regard all this as an insult.
Cheers,
R.
emraphoto
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i think THREAT would be more appropriate Roger
gb hill
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Separation of church & state didn't come from our founding fathers it came from a Baptist preacher named Roger Williams. The State dictated the Church of England rule that people made to attend worship services & live by the 10 commandments (legalism) Roger Williams fought against the State rule stating that as Christ has made us free we are free indeed. Williams as well as other great preachers such as CH Spurgeon understood the teachings of the bible that the law was given to show man of his sinfulness & that Christ came that we would be free. this is Grace. Thats the true reason of your separation of church & state, not the crap being shoved down our throats now.
As far as slavery. The democrat party are the worst slave traitors & the men behind it are named Louis Farrakhan, Jessie Jackson, Charlie Rangold & Al Sharpton who made millions to keep minorities in bondage by lobbying gov. to give welfare to minorities. When a black man sees this as a sham & decides to go out & prosper on his own by hard work & starting businesses employing others & giving back to communities in a positive way, then he is labeled by democrats as an Uncle Tom!
It's always that you hear how the blacks were treated during slavery. Yea I agree with that but some were treated well. Who taught these people English? It was our Gov. that made laws forbidding owners to teach slaves to learn to read. Funny how also those mean ol slave owners taught the gospel to slaves & you see all these black churches from years gone by! I've been to Kenya and blacks live much better here than blacks over there. The children of Israel had a tough time in the desert for 40 years, Sometimes there needs to be struggles to get ahead. Get over it & enjoy!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Williams_(theologian)
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emraphoto
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wow, i am not even sure what to say to that.
Paul T.
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So... if you enslave someone, exploit, murder them or sexually abuse their wives, it's OK as long as you teach them the bible? Nice.
Details please? If I'm going to be called a liar at least tell me what I have lied about.
I would prefer to make decisions for myself, thank you. I don't want a bureaucrat deciding if it wise to spend public money on a CT scan on my behalf, that should be my decision. Just one example.
Who is equating government with socialism? Haven't seen anyone do that in this thread.
I have seen someone relate the latter, however.
gb hill
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I don't think the ones doing the murders & like such were the one's teaching slaves the bible! Sure many slaves were treated cruelly but thats life. Read Foxes Book of Martyrs if you want to read cruelty.
Oh so by your own rationale that guy who murdered 14 people at Ft. Hood being Muslim, we should treat all Muslims as terrorist & murderers? I don't think so!
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emraphoto
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" Sure many slaves were treated cruelly but thats life."
no, that's not life. that's wrong. don't even get me started on the history of those "preaching" the gospel.
no, that's not life. that's wrong. don't even get me started on the history of those "preaching" the gospel.
Paul T.
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No. And I can't say 'by your own rationale" because there is no rationale. I am not saying all Christians are evil because some practised slavery. I am saying that all those who enslaved others were evil.
Plenty of people understood that at the time. A shame some people don't understand that even now. Hopefully none of those who do so would have the gall to call themselves Christian.
gb hill
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Agreed it was wrong! and also a part of life because life isn't always fair. Deal with it! Not all preachers are/were the same. I doubt you can be any harsher on preachers than what I've seen, but I'll keep that to myself.
emraphoto
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Paul i have witnessed numerous groups of well armed individuals behaving in all kinds of un-christian behavior that have the gall.
gb hill
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emraphoto
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considering the behavior i have seen form individuals calling themselves "preachers" or "christians" we will have to agree to disagree.
the argument that life isn't always fair and thus we must "deal with it" is a cop out of enormous magnitude. please explain... are the individuals who behave cruelly or murderous somehow absolved of their behavior due to the "thats life" clause? are we to accept the legacy of slavery with a hearty "dem the breaks folks"?
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Paul T.
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Now you mention it, so have i.
Now I think I shall leave this & cook some devilled mackerel. An appropriate dish? Enjoy your day, gents.
Rick Waldroup
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So, Greg, you must be one of these guys who thinks "Blacks just need to get over it"?
This is the strangest post I've read on this forum in a long time.
emraphoto
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It has been too long since I have revelled in such fine dish! I suppose I must now seize the opportunity and allow the thred to return to something close to it's original theme.
gb hill
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As far as your above statement I doubt we have anything to disagree about! Most are shills, but that being said I don't put Billy Graham in the same league with Jimmy Swaggart either!
I don't consider it a cop out. I'm a staunch believer in the death penelty. You people pick through what I said above to bring about your hate agenda & miss the message I attempted to bring about. Here it is in a nut shell, Life isn't always a bowl of cherries. Learn to accept what you can't always change...or take Prozac!
wgerrard
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Details please? If I'm going to be called a liar at least tell me what I have lied about.
I though it was rather clear. You called Obama a socialist.
It should not be your decision alone to spend public money on a CT scan. It should be your decision alone to spend private money on a CT scan. Nothing in the proposed legislation interferes with that. If you care so little about the welfare of other people that you do not wish to be taxed, then you really ought to just say that.
The entire conservative-libertarian moneymaking machine.
emraphoto
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You said a little more than that my friend.