Photographer Killed at SF’s Twin Peaks in Camera Robbery

I wonder how much all this crime reporting reflects the machinations going on regarding for profit prison and jails if at all, maybe in some indirect manner? Incarcerating Americans wholesale sure is deterring criminals huh???:rolleyes:

Remember when they first came about. Help with overflow problems...cheaper for the state because of effiency. Another crock of manure. My opinion.

Apologies for going on a tangent...mods delete please if appropriate.
 
Contarama said:
I wonder how much all this crime reporting reflects the machinations going on regarding for profit prison and jails if at all, maybe in some indirect manner? Incarcerating Americans wholesale sure is deterring criminals huh???:rolleyes:

Remember when they first came about. Help with overflow problems...cheaper for the state because of effiency. Another crock of manure. My opinion.

Apologies for going on a tangent...mods delete please if appropriate.
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There is a reason the current administration is increasing incarceration rates for low level crimes - rolling back previous policies - as they are tied into the for profit prison system. Guess whose stock increased dramatically?
But reported crime stats seem to have little to do with incarceration rates. They are self serving in order to make it seem that a job is done better than it actually is. Resulting in all those performance bonuses.

Back on topic. Crime in San Fran is increasing w/ tourists being the targets. They mostly are crimes of opportunity and thus property thefts - people leaving belongings in cars etc. The criminals hang out in the touristy areas (most of San Fran!) and pay attention to people parking their cars for that quick photo op etc. If it is a single person - normally ignored. If it is obviously a family - bingo tourists! Even if their belongings are out of sight the criminals know there may be something in the boot etc
 
By the way, all available data is incomplete and it is also in the opinion of many experts not very reliable. I use what I get to get the proces sstarted to have better data being submitted by each state to the FBI.
 
There are a lot of reasons for violent crime. But two are lack of police (due to weak laws that prevent them from arresting, or weak funding that prevents hiring enough), and lack of armed citizens. In SF like most urban cities we have extreme gun control, where most citizens cannot carry a gun, or have one in their car. The criminals know that, and of course, they have guns because they are already law breakers.

Basically, a lot of major cities in America say "you don't need to defend yourself, we'll do it for you. But we don't have the money to do so right now. Have a nice day!"

If there are no cops, and you cannot be armed (but you realize assailants are) your only option if you must go to that isolated area is to have a friend or two with you. Never go alone to a park or beach where thugs can drive up, walk over to you, and assault you. They won't do that to 2-3 people usually (though I do know about that robbery case recently where a group was robbed).
 
What I was getting at is they say violent crime is going down...with the implication being locking people up is working. If this is so then what about the militarization of the police? Same deal with the 40 + year old war on drugs.

I tend to agree on the pigeon hawk theory for the tourist town of San Francisco. To bad so many folks are being left behind and are resorting to knocking off the haves who are on vacation. I suppose the world has always been this way and will always be as such...think about it to much and it will make you literally ill.
 
Huss said:
There is a reason the current administration is increasing incarceration rates for low level crimes - rolling back previous policies - as they are tied into the for profit prison system. Guess whose stock increased dramatically?
But reported crime stats seem to have little to do with incarceration rates. They are self serving in order to make it seem that a job is done better than it actually is. Resulting in all those performance bonuses.
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The corporate groups who own and manage many prisons put some inmates to work during their stay. These companies operate businesses within the prisons. I was told that many customer service calls and telemarketing calls are out-sourced to these corporate run businesses within the for profit prison business. I heard a sociologist complain, that many hard core criminals are being released early, while prisoners who are held for drug related and other minor crimes are kept as they are more easily trained for these prison jobs. This augments the profit of a prison and has little to do with justice and public safety.

These companies have a major lobby operation. Crime is big business for those who house criminals.
 
I'm feeling better and better carrying around my Zenit 12sd
1. It's a club
2. What sane person would want it?
 
css9450 said:
I tend to think he was being sarcastic. Like they say in the song: "Nobody walks in L.A."
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Glad somebody caught that it was tongue in cheek.

And no, I don't live there, but I have walked there quite a bit, both the Disney parts, and Watts on my last visit.

It's not a "traditional" city structure, like the majority of cities, and there's significant road transport involved in being in LA compared to more pedestrian friendly cities like SF.
 
There's a multitude of approaches to life and to life together. There are some truly fascinating bits of work on the liklihood of (and process toward) advancement in criminal organisations that suggest that working within a more prosocial framework gives a better average outcome. Or in English, you will probably do better by doing right.

The trouble is the high end, the Gamblers Fallacy approach to life: I've lost so much so how can i get back all that and more?

As an outsider I don't want to be dead so take my camera and wallet, I wont fight. Carrying a gun increases my chance of getting dead. Increases. It might increase theirs too but who cares?

I lived when young in Papua New Guinea. Americans are puppies by comparison. Try machete wielding security guards at each store entrance and 2 eyes for an eye as the basic plan. And the simple answer is don't carry what you aren't prepared to have stolen, and hand it over promptly. And don't walk alone. I have walked in places the Australian Government said should only be entered in an armed 3 vehicle convoy. But I didn't take the newest iphone with me.
 
BlackXList said:
Well none of that sounds anything like one of my favourite cities to spend time in and shoot on the street in to me.

There isn't anywhere in the city that I'd specifically avoid, ok there's some interesting housing projects, but you're unlikely to be going near them anyway.

Admittedly I don't spend that much time in the tourist downtown part, the Tenderloin is next door and is far more interesting. I'm happy wandering round with camera in the Tenderloin, working my way up through The Mission, or out in Excelsior or Hunter's Point, and I've never had an issue.

Never had a problem over in the East Bay either, I just don't recognise this fear filled version of The City or The Town at all.
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"the Tenderloin is next door and is far more interesting. I'm happy wandering round with camera in the..."


"A woman was blinded Sunday evening in a vicious bleach attack in the Tenderloin neighborhood of San Francisco, officials said."

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...leach-on-her-face-11723096.php#photo-12828185
 
PKR said:
"the Tenderloin is next door and is far more interesting. I'm happy wandering round with camera in the..."


"A woman was blinded Sunday evening in a vicious bleach attack in the Tenderloin neighborhood of San Francisco, officials said."

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...leach-on-her-face-11723096.php#photo-12828185
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"The attack occurred about six blocks from the area where a San Francisco police officer suffered chemical burns after bleach was poured on him from an open window in 2016."
 
I figure if I pile onto San Fran, then it will be easier for me to find a parking spot next time I'm there.
 
In that spirit ... good that raccoons are not interested in Leicas.

"A woman and her husband walking their small dog in San Francisco's Richmond District and found themselves attacked and bitten by raccoons. - http://abc13.com/952252/"

Or mountain lions for that matter.

"Officials say a mountain lion spotted at least four times in San Francisco last week is believed to have left town, making its way down the coast. - - http://abc7news.com/835595/"

Scary. :)
 
ferider said:
In that spirit ... good that raccoons are not interested in Leicas.

"A woman and her husband walking their small dog in San Francisco's Richmond District and found themselves attacked and bitten by raccoons. - http://abc13.com/952252/"
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The racoons were just upset they they didn't get to collect on their lost cat reward
 

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Huss said:
I figure if I pile onto San Fran, then it will be easier for me to find a parking spot next time I'm there.
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We all appreciate your efforts, Huss; parking is difficult even for the few of us still left in SF after all the outmigration driven by violent crimes, rabid raccoons, and marauding coyotes. So many people have left this crime-ridden city that property prices are plunging.:D
 
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