Photographers and police: a First Amendment clash

I certainly hope that we as a society can somehow find that happy medium, when it comes to the public forum however, if I can see it you better damn well believe I'm shooting it . The examples listed are clear violations of first amendment rights , police chasing a man to seize his camera after shooting a man. This is of public interest and very much something that the press can use to put those checks and balances upon the government( police or otherwise) .
 
Well, just off the headline, I'm voting harassment. I'm all for public safety and preventing the next 9/11, but it seems to me that we are hiring morons for police, and government. That goes for both major parties BTW.

Can we IQ test people before we vote for them?

Can we make sure our police have at least a room temperature IQ and a thimble full of common sense?

Obviously, the answer to both is a big fat NO...

Addendum. If we dis-allow morons on juries, this cr@p will stop fast.
 
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The problem of disallowing morons on juries is not so cut and dry though. Most people seem to do anything to avoid jury duty, so the parade of ill informed idiots will most certainly enter the jury pool and then are selected to serve. The lack of simple constitutional knowledge seems to be at fault, many people do not appear to have a basic working knowledge of the first ammendment and what rights actually exist. Many people as of late talk of the constitution through various right wing tv/radio programs and how it protects us from large government but will seemingly agree that photographers are evil because they seek to violate your privacy. People also willingly giving up privacy on a daily basis with very little thought, from the internet and so forth.
 
I have the utmost respect for law enforcement but it does seem more & more we are seeing cases of brutality by those wearing the badge. As citizens I'm all in favor of photographing actions taken in our public streets. Here in my county we have a former sheriff, a convicted felon running for sheriff once again. There is now a bill in place to try and stop that! We also are having more & more convicted persons let go from prisons because a new group of activist led by Darrell Hunt, himself a convicted rapist set free after serving a lengthy amount of time in prison, showed that he couldn't of been the rapist because of DNA. There is another man recently let go because they found evidence that would of presumed him innocent was held back. This makes it hard to trust our legal system any more!
 
I have a hard time trusting the police these days.

I was removed from my vehicle during a traffic stop by one of New Jersey's wonderful state police officers. The initial reason for the stop was sound, my taillights were not on ,I was unaware but was glad he stopped me to inform me of this issue. After he explained that and reviewed my documentation he noted that my insurance card was expired, also valid. He then asks me to step out of the car , to which I reply may I ask what for ? I was given nothing more than another step out of the car before my door was opened and I was removed and placed under arrest.

I asked what I was being arrested for and the officer replied for possession of a controlled dangerous substance. I asked him how he came to that conclusion as I am a non drinker and am certainly not a drug user. His reply was a sarcastic, I'm sure . I am then loaded into the back of a cruiser in handcuffs while he then searches my vehicle under the pretense of probable cause due to his perception of what he said was in plain sight. This takes approximately 20 minutes for him to complete his search, in addition to the ordeal of him removing the contents of my pockets onto the hood of my vehicle and promptly bagging them into evidence bags. After completion of his search for the drugs , he comes back looking rather gutted when he realizes his "evidence" , the drugs, was nothing more than rotted heater box sealing foam which had been blowing out of the vents for months.

I asked to see his controlled dangerous substance which he identified as Marijuana. He shows it to me and says what is this. My reply is that it was heater box foam.

He then issues me a paper warning ticket for the tail lamps , does not apologize for what I personally believe was an illegal search of my vehicle and a clear violation of my rights. The problem with reporting this sort of rights violation is that these particular cops are relentless once you call them out and I need to travel this road daily. Reporting the incident would only further the state funded tormenting offered at the hands of the sort of kids who constantly got screwed with in school and were just bright enough to make the grade and become the state's elite law enforcement agency. The sad fact is these people have the upper hand when it comes to breaking the law , they know when they're doing it and seemingly have no issue in doing so.

So you'll have to forgive my distrust of the police .
 
I have the utmost respect for law enforcement but it does seem more & more we are seeing cases of brutality by those wearing the badge. As citizens I'm all in favor of photographing actions taken in our public streets. Here in my county we have a former sheriff, a convicted felon running for sheriff once again. There is now a bill in place to try and stop that! We also are having more & more convicted persons let go from prisons because a new group of activist led by Darrell Hunt, himself a convicted rapist set free after serving a lengthy amount of time in prison, showed that he couldn't of been the rapist because of DNA. There is another man recently let go because they found evidence that would of presumed him innocent was held back. This makes it hard to trust our legal system any more!
A cellphone camera was pivotal in a civil case in Canada against the RCMP, 4 of whose members tasered to death (repeatedly, while cuffed, prone, and lying very still) an exhausted and exasperated Polish man stuck in the immigration lounge at Vancouver airport in 2007. The Mounties cited he was waving a stapler. Criminal charges may yet proceed.
Jon A.
 
for the record it wasn't a cel. it was a sony point and shoot/superzoom sort of thing. there was cel. footage but it was the sony material that was used in court.

they also tasered him prior to him being cuffed.

when he was tasered on the ground he still was not in cuffs.

no attempt by the rcmp or YVR paramedics was made at CPR (despite the rcmp claiming otherwise).
 
I have the utmost respect for law enforcement but it does seem more & more we are seeing cases of brutality by those wearing the badge. [...]

Quite possibly because there are more and more cameras.
 
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