Photographing people sleeping on train?

[chambrenoire]

I sometimes frequent a local, Swedish photo forum, called Fotosidan.se. You can upload pics to different "pools" and people can critique them, much like Flickr.com

So I uploaded this picture of a woman sleeping on a train and immediatly a person wrote "I hope you have permission from this woman to upload a picture of her on the internet." and gave me a score of 1 (where 5 is the best).

Ofcourse, I do not have permission...

Is this OK or not? What do you people think?
This was on a train owned by SL (nowadays private company).

Cheers, Mattia

 

[Pherdinand]

🙂 Henri Cartier-Bresson did that.
Of course, that was in the seventies and in Romania. "Rights" might have changed in time, and in space.

 

[BillP]

What arrant rubbish! Ignore the ignorant twit.

Regards,

Bill

 

[Chris101]

The train is a public space (even if private property, it accessible by the public.) People have little expectation of privacy there. I don't know Swedish law, but in the US, such photos are legal. Permission is only needed if the photos are used commercially.

Note that the US is considerably more liberal in this regard than most other countries.

 

[chambrenoire]

I don't know if is accessible to non-users of the Fotosidan.se-site but here it is:
http://www.fotosidan.se/gallery/viewpic.htm/1364413.htm

Alternative link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmarchi/2586119941/

 

[BillP]

Yes, it's accessible. It's a good photo; absolutely nothing there to complain about. In fact, I think I'll join you in this harmless pastime:



Regards,

Bill

 

[chambrenoire]

Yes, it's accessible. It's a good photo; absolutely nothing there to complain about. In fact, I think I'll join you in this harmless pastime:

View attachment 60906

Regards,

Bill

Nice one, Bill! Thanks.

 

[Steve Bellayr]

The laws vary from country to country and property. In the US Trains are either private or public utilities and they have thei own regulations. As for the comment of the individual it as they say "Does Not Apply."

 

[chambrenoire]

i sometimes photograph worn out old men sleeping in the loud bars. not passed out. sleeping.

😀

Well, I guess I'm not used to upsetting people with my photos... Hehe.

 

[Chuck Albertson]

Shoot first, ask questions later.

 

[feenej]

Whatever you can get away with is good with me.

 

[FioreVelviamo]

I don't get it why you're so nervous about getting a grade of 1 and about having permission or not.

And what prevents you to say you had permission? I always say I have permission and the only time I will get nervous about it is in front of a judge, if it ever happens. Other then that, I absolutely don't care and I consider I have permission for ALL I shoot.. The rest is all tihn air.

Sue me... 🙂

 

[MikeCassidy]

If it was in the U.S. you would be legal.

 

[Bob Michaels]

.......... and gave me a score of 1 (where 5 is the best)............

Hopefully you are learning how much significance to give to internet photo ratings from strangers.

 

[Chris101]

I don't get it why you're so nervous about getting a grade of 1 and about having permission or not.

And what prevents you to say you had permission? I always say I have permission and the only time I will get nervous about it is in front of a judge, if it ever happens. Other then that, I absolutely don't care and I consider I have permission for ALL I shoot.. The rest is all tihn air.

Sue me... 🙂

Sure. Why not just lie, huh.

 

[Photog9001]

my personal opinions aside, i would be curious to hear what swedish law have to say about it (since i reside on the other side of the border, and have never bothered to check what the norwegian legislators came up with)

 

[chambrenoire]

I don't get it why you're so nervous about getting a grade of 1 and about having permission or not.

And what prevents you to say you had permission? I always say I have permission and the only time I will get nervous about it is in front of a judge, if it ever happens. Other then that, I absolutely don't care and I consider I have permission for ALL I shoot.. The rest is all tihn air.

Sue me... 🙂

I don't give a s*** about his grade, but I get irritated by people telling me what is right and what is wrong according to the law, without presenting a credible law paragraph or whatever. He seems to be a typical besserwisser-type person.

Another person found a paragraph that clearly states that photography in public places, even without the persons consent, can be freely published on the internet.

If this were illegal, half of the pictures on fotosidan.se would be of illegal nature.

 

[Cale Arthur]

If it was in the U.S. you would be legal.

Are you talking about taking pictures or sleeping? 🙂 Here in Chicago, you're free to take as many pictures as you like whilst on/in/around the public transportation system (this, after a well-publicized to-do on the subject), but sleeping on the train is illegal, and a ticket-able offense. What a world!

--c--

 

[lZr]

In my country there is a difference between what you can shot and what you can publish.
(PJ's know that very good). You can shot the lady sleeping in the train, but publishing the photo can lead to very strange consequencies in court.

 

[chambrenoire]

In my country there is a difference between what you can shot and what you can publish.
(PJ's know that very good). You can shot the lady sleeping in the train, but publishing the photo can lead to very strange consequencies in court.

Yes, that is what I was trying to find out, ultimately.

But to me it seems pretty clear now, according to a lengthy discussion with serveral law-savvy people on another messageboard and an article written by a PJ's about this matter.