Photography and politics

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I'm from that generation of punk (and, specifically, its offshoot of hardcore from that era) that's represented on that wall, namely Bad Religion and Agnostic Front (heyday circa mid- to late-'80s). Both of those bands were very politically charged and critical of the U.S., although with AF, I tend to think it was in a loving kind of patriotism. Konflikt is a relatively newer punk band from Slovenia who in Eastern Europe was well-known for an anti-Nazi song, I believe called "Anti-Nazi."
 
FrankS said:
As long as we stick to RF photography we'll be fine, but the instant we start to discuss say, America foreign policy, or if Christ is the only path to God, we will be in deep doodoo. There is no way for a group as diverse as we are to discuss politics or religion without creating bad blood. It is sometimes possible in face to face discussions, but the disconnectedness of the internet too often gives people the mistaken idea that saying anything they feel like is okay. If we want to keep this "family" together, I strongly urge members to find other forums to discuss politics and religion.

Please let me know where that is, and I will probably join you there for a good shouting match, mud-slinging, ad name-calling.


for what may be the first time, i completely agree with frank!

roger, my question to you is - why?
why the need to poke this forum with a stick?

photography is a large part of my life but i suspect not nearly as large as it is for you.
i suspect that most who come here have photography as a hobby, not a vocation.
as such, i suspect that most prefer to talk about lens/film/camera/developer (etc.) choices than politics or religion.

i love politics, watch political talking head shows and even listen to speeches live to catch it all and not just what the talking heads want to share.

but this forum is like a haven for me, a place to come, visit with others from around the globe, look at some photography and share the love of rangefinder cameras with like minded individuals.

i staunchly support the governments of the 2 nations that i am a citizen of, i just don't have a need to do it here.

and i hope to heaven others have the sense to stay away from that damn stick of yours.

joe
 
debating politics on the internet requires training few can commit to, therefore it's best unattempted. you don't want to balkanize a forum with something it isn't even for. there must be other forums for it, but this is not one of them.
 
"for what may be the first time, i completely agree with frank!"

Lookie what I've got in writing!
I knew you'd see the light and come around eventually, Joe!
 
Now it's getting interesting....we got some sparks flying!

First of all I do believe in free speech, and anyone wishing to discuss the inherent link between politics and photography should be allowed to do so.

Photography has captured and will continue to capture our societies, along with the political environments that thrive in (on) them. After all, a picture tells a thousand words, whether it'd be a demonstration for civil rights in the sixties or the Normandy landings on D-Day....it'll be political within it's context.
 
Joe,

You nailed what I was about to say - poking the bear with a stick, is what we call it where I'm from. Not sure what the point is, exactly.

But what do I know? I'm a low-brow triple-calumnist.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
backalley photo said:
i wonder if i have the power to go in and change someone's sig?
i'll have to look into this!

😉joe

you know, Frank is an autonomous individual who is clearly capable of making his own decisions. therefore, I accept no responsibility for his new sig, even though I suggested it. I do not endorse his clearly inflamitory action nor did I suggest said action believing he would comply.

heh.

there are some sparks baby!
 
FrankS said:
As long as we stick to RF photography we'll be fine, but the instant we start to discuss say, America foreign policy, or if Christ is the only path to God, we will be in deep doodoo. There is no way for a group as diverse as we are to discuss politics or religion without creating bad blood. It is sometimes possible in face to face discussions, but the disconnectedness of the internet too often gives people the mistaken idea that saying anything they feel like is okay. If we want to keep this "family" together, I strongly urge members to find other forums to discuss politics and religion.

Please let me know where that is, and I will probably join you there for a good shouting match, mud-slinging, ad name-calling.


I agree. I agree. I agree

If I want to discuss politics or hear someone else's political views, I'll find a political chat room. The thing that has made photography forums like this one appealing to me is they get us away from politics and the every day world.

If you believe one of the purposes of a camera forum is to politically enlighten members through discussion and photographs, then I for one will be happy to let you do it and I'll find another venue where people enjoy getting together and discussing photography, not how to save the world.

The world has enough preachers and advocates already.
 
Once upon a time, I subscribed to a magazine called "Computer Shopper." It was nowhere near as good as it used to be - it used to be like Shutterbug used to be, if you remember that, but it was still somewhat worthwhile, so I kept my subscription to it.

Then one day, I was reading a review of a new CPU, and the reviewer described the CPU as being 'as dumb as our current president.'

Like others have mentioned - if I want to read about politics, I can buy Time or Newsweek or US World and News Report or something. And I do, from time to time. And I expect that sort of thing there. But not while reading a review of a computer CPU, for crying out loud.

I wrote to the magazine and cancelled my subscription, and I explained why. I was surprised, but I got a response. We went back and forth for awhile - they claiming that the personal political views of their contributing writers were not a reflection of their beliefs, etc - and that essentially, I should not take it personally.

OK, here's the deal. Some think my president is an idiot. Maybe I do to - you don't know, because I haven't said what I believe. And I'm not going to, not here. But I *do* think that I don't have to pay people to hear them say what I find offensive. I have never read that magazine since then, not even once.

I recently subscribed to another magazine I like - "No Depression," a fine alt.country music magazine (and for those who wonder where punk went to, it went here). I was reading it a few months ago, and WHAM - the editors decided to publish a 'Editor's Page' rant about how stupid my president is - how criminal. How no intelligent lover of the arts could possibly be anything but liberal (and yes, they said that literally, go look it up) because all conservatives are stupid and hate the arts. I just about plotzed.

I've given it some time - trying to take the edge off. Three new issues sit around, largely unread - I used to read them from cover to cover - more so than nearly any magazine I subscribe to.

No, the editors don't have to agree wtih my political views. Sure, they're allowed to have politcal beliefs, and even to espouse them in their magazine if they wish - it's their magazine after all. But I don't have to reward them financially to hear what they seem to want to say by buying their magazine - and I really don't have to listen to them call people who believe certain politics 'idiots' and 'morons' and 'haters of art.'

I'm trying to see the good in the magazine anyway - it is hard for me. I know it doesn't bother others like it does me. I just hate paying good money to read a writer call me stupid, is all.

I have many 'artistic' friends in the local community - we have a good arts community here, and I'm making friends and entering photo contests and so on - and the one thing I have to be careful of is talking about poltics.

Because many of those friends just ASSUME that since we're all artists - many gay, lesbian, multi-racial, polka-dotted and God knows what else - that there is no way we could all be anything but liberal. And of course, we all hate the president, so why not dish on him? I have to grit my teeth and remain silent.

When one of my friends found out I'm the newly elected Deputy Grand Knight of the Knights of Columbus for my city - they congratulated me for 'infiltrating the system' and 'fighting the bastards from the inside.' Well, guess what, me boyos? I believe in God, I'm a Catholic, I own guns, I drink beer, I vote with my wallet, and I make art. Problem with that? One of the artists I admire most here in town won't talk to me now. He says I seem like a nice fellow, but he cannot compromise his principles by being friends with a conservative. His loss.

SO....

All this to say.

a) I'm already half in the bag tonight, why you let me ramble on so?
b) This is a great website and I never want to do anything to hurt it.
c) I won't talk politics if no one pokes me with a stick.
d) Don't assume that since we all share one love (photography) that we all therefore think alike and you won't offend by making jokes, comments, or statements that are designed to enrage.
e) Some of us may feel a bit embattled on all sides. Painfully aware that we suffer in world image, aware of the clay feet of some leaders, taking shots from one side of the political spectrum even when we agree that they have valid points - even shunned and hated for our beliefs - by oh-so-tolerant artistic people. People on the defensive can lash out from time to time. Why provoke that?

Just my two bits. I'm off to bed. Joe, delete this if you like.

Best,

Bill
 
Roger,

Ive just spent some time leafing through some of your books trying to discern some clear cut political theme to some of the photographs you've published. I have 5 of your books that I can find, and with the exception of your work on the plight of the Tibetans, I seem to be unable to sense any political leaning. Likewise, your columns in Shutterbug dont seem to expose your personal politics.
Your work has influenced me greatly over the years, yet I dont really have a clue about your politics. Am I missing something?

All the best,

Scotty
 
Sleep tight Bill.
This thread need to end. My only question is (as someone else already asked) why was it ever started. It serves no useful purpose.
 
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