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wgerrard
Veteran
$4000 = approx. price of this camera and 3 lenses, if it comes to fruition.
gavinlg
Veteran
My x100 is one of the best cameras I've ever used. It's definitely not a point and shoot any more than a leica M is a point and shoot. If I give the camera to my girlfriend I have to completely pre-set the thing otherwise she won't get a good photo from it.
Yes it's a little quirky - you have to know how the camera works to get the best from it, but with just a little time and experimentation it really blows you away with how good it is. And you really do use it just like a rangefinder - hence the rangefinder tag that seems to follow it around. The ONLY difference is that instead of using an RF patch to manual focus, you use an AF patch to spot focus. And to be honest, it's probably quicker than RF focussing 8 times out of 10 anyway.
Also, I have to mention that I love the 23mm fujinon lens on the x100. Considering it's 35mm equivalent, an M mount fuji would need a 21 or 25mm lens to equal a 35mm equivalent. That leaves you with the zeiss ZM f2.8's, the slow voigtlander 21 and 25, and the horrifically expensive 21mm summilux. Considering that the 23mm f2 fujinon lens is a SUPERB performer, and it's included with the $1200 body in the x100, I'd prefer proprietary fujinon lenses for this new interchangeable lens camera any day of the week. You can bet they'll perform better and be much cheaper than adapted M mount lenses ever will.
Yes it's a little quirky - you have to know how the camera works to get the best from it, but with just a little time and experimentation it really blows you away with how good it is. And you really do use it just like a rangefinder - hence the rangefinder tag that seems to follow it around. The ONLY difference is that instead of using an RF patch to manual focus, you use an AF patch to spot focus. And to be honest, it's probably quicker than RF focussing 8 times out of 10 anyway.
Also, I have to mention that I love the 23mm fujinon lens on the x100. Considering it's 35mm equivalent, an M mount fuji would need a 21 or 25mm lens to equal a 35mm equivalent. That leaves you with the zeiss ZM f2.8's, the slow voigtlander 21 and 25, and the horrifically expensive 21mm summilux. Considering that the 23mm f2 fujinon lens is a SUPERB performer, and it's included with the $1200 body in the x100, I'd prefer proprietary fujinon lenses for this new interchangeable lens camera any day of the week. You can bet they'll perform better and be much cheaper than adapted M mount lenses ever will.
tbarker13
shooter of stuff
I'd argue that for many people, the term "rangefinder" evokes images of a lightweight camera shaped like a Leica,, etc. For most of us, the actual rangefinder mechanism isn't the point.
I really don't care how my camera achieves its focus.
So I'm not going to hold it against the manufacturer for using the term "rangefinder" when describing its camera.
That tells me a heck of a lot more than "small camera with optical finder and manual control."
I really don't care how my camera achieves its focus.
So I'm not going to hold it against the manufacturer for using the term "rangefinder" when describing its camera.
That tells me a heck of a lot more than "small camera with optical finder and manual control."
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
If it has the IQ and high ISO performance of the X100 and can be focused quickly and successfully in Zero EV lighting ... I'll have one!
Otherwise no deal ... the X100 left me high and dry in this area!
Otherwise no deal ... the X100 left me high and dry in this area!
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celluloidprop
Well-known
I remember both the Hexar AF and Contax G cameras garnering interest precisely because they were 'rangefinder-like' in design compared to the dominant plastic SLRs and simplified (even high-end) P&Ses.
And those didn't even have an electronic viewfinder!
al1966
Feed Your Head
It would have been far more interesting if they created a 645 sized sensor camera similar to the older Fuji 645 series cameras. 645 slr cameras are way too heavy to wander around with, now they just need to realises that I am speaking sense and knock it out for less than a Canon 5d mk2(?). Then for an encore a 6x9 sensor RF style camera for less than a Nikon D3. Come on now please and can I have a free one for coming up with the idea 
celluloidprop
Well-known
There's not a camera that exists that you can demand accurate and fast AF at 0 EV - even the high-end Nikons are going to struggle or require AF assist at that. Contrast detection even moreso - they can't turn technology into magic. Even the best RF user is going to struggle to focus accurately in that kind of light.
kosta_g
Well-known
it's like knowing what you're getting for christmas - I kind of hate these rumour sites. where's the suspense gone? the art of building up a product through a manufacturer is lost!
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I wasn't suggesting AF ... I can focus my D700 manually in these conditions because I know it's AF system can't cope ... and I wouldn't expect it to.
But at least I can actually focus it manually and fairly quickly by choice ... this was the main let down for me with X100 and the sole reason I got rid of it.
Spyro
Well-known
Hexar AF, some polaroids, Fuji GA 645 (if I remember correctly) basically anything with an active infrared system will focus instantly in zero light. No such digicam exists unfortunately.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Snacks
Established
Surely if you wanted something to mount Leica glass, you'd buy a Leica, right? Let Fuji have their camera, mount and lenses. And let me buy it now!
nighstar
eternal beginner
Spyro
Well-known
my best guess is that it doesnt actually offer any significant advantages other than the crazy low light performance, which is a very specialised feature. OTOH it has the disadvantage of the single AF point which is a very hard sale these days.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
And yet this entire forum is based around a type of camera that only has a single focus point ... albeit manual!
Maybe they (Fuji) could make one just for us?
Thardy
Veteran
It would have been far more interesting if they created a 645 sized sensor camera similar to the older Fuji 645 series cameras. 645 slr cameras are way too heavy to wander around with, now they just need to realises that I am speaking sense and knock it out for less than a Canon 5d mk2(?). Then for an encore a 6x9 sensor RF style camera for less than a Nikon D3. Come on now please and can I have a free one for coming up with the idea
A small RF sized camera with a 645 sized sensor for the price of a 5DM2? I can see that.
Especially since they're starting from scratch.
Spyro
Well-known
I'd buy three of them Keith.
bwcolor
Veteran
Wow, such response...
Can you say...infinite backorder?
Fuji is doing a good job of generating some excitement amongst the rangefinder retrograde crowd. Looks good so far.
Can you say...infinite backorder?
Fuji is doing a good job of generating some excitement amongst the rangefinder retrograde crowd. Looks good so far.
DougFord
on the good foot
I guess no square sensor. I thought a 30mm2 sensor @ 36mp would be intriguing.
With the HUD, the projected frame-lines could give you a 30x20 in camera horizontal or vertical crop @ 24mp.
Or you could just go whole hog and shoot 'full frame' @ 36mp.
Perhaps a solution looking for a problem
Anyways, I'm not a buyer in any case, just an onlooker.
With the HUD, the projected frame-lines could give you a 30x20 in camera horizontal or vertical crop @ 24mp.
Or you could just go whole hog and shoot 'full frame' @ 36mp.
Perhaps a solution looking for a problem
Anyways, I'm not a buyer in any case, just an onlooker.