Rodchenko
Olympian
People look at other people - Stop Press!
Sejanus.Aelianus
Veteran
I'm not inclined to cut her any slack on this. I used to weigh 224lb, which is a lot when you're 66 inches tall. For many years now, I've weighed under 145lb. All it takes is a weighing machine, a notebook and will power.
I disliked the message of her writing and feel that the photographs failed to illustrate anything much. This woman, is part of the problem, not trying to be part of the solution.
Apart from that, al ist gut, ja?
I disliked the message of her writing and feel that the photographs failed to illustrate anything much. This woman, is part of the problem, not trying to be part of the solution.
Apart from that, al ist gut, ja?
stompyq
Well-known
I'm not inclined to cut her any slack on this. I used to weigh 224lb, which is a lot when you're 66 inches tall. For many years now, I've weighed under 145lb. All it takes is a weighing machine, a notebook and will power.
I disliked the message of her writing and feel that the photographs failed to illustrate anything much. This woman, is part of the problem, not trying to be part of the solution.
Apart from that, al ist gut, ja?![]()
You have balls to say that. These were my thoughts also but I really didn't feel like voicing them here. I've been down the same path and did exactly what you suggested. Dropped from a 250 pound depressed wreck to 170lb with just diet and exercise. Unless you have a serious health problem that precludes you from exercise all it takes is selfcontrol and patience. I think shes shaming herself more than shaming others
Scrambler
Well-known
You have balls to say that. These were my thoughts also but I really didn't feel like voicing them here. I've been down the same path and did exactly what you suggested. Dropped from a 250 pound depressed wreck to 170lb with just diet and exercise. Unless you have a serious health problem that precludes you from exercise all it takes is selfcontrol and patience. I think shes shaming herself more than shaming others
Didn't read the article did you? She DOES have a serious health problem. She's tried what you recommended. It didn't work for
her. For some reason she's sick of people making judgements based purely on her appearance. As for shaming, I think she's just trying to document.
I'm not saying I think there is an ounce of visual interest in the photos. To me they are simply snapshots. I think she has misunderstood the aesthetic foundation of HCB's "decisive moment."
But about the judgement meted out on the overweight I think no further proof is required than this thread.
Still, much more interesting photographic subject than cats and as a project potentially quite powerful. And as a fleeting moment, even if not "decisive", photography is an appropriate medium.
fireblade
Vincenzo.
"For years, strangers have made fun of me for being fat. But I got my power back -- by turning the camera on them"
i wonder what power she would get if i took her to an orphanage in India where not one child has an ounce of fat on them....pardon the pun, but she's full of sh!t.
i wonder what power she would get if i took her to an orphanage in India where not one child has an ounce of fat on them....pardon the pun, but she's full of sh!t.
stompyq
Well-known
Didn't read the article did you? She DOES have a serious health problem. She's tried what you recommended. It didn't work for
her. For some reason she's sick of people making judgements based purely on her appearance. As for shaming, I think she's just trying to document.
I'm not saying I think there is an ounce of visual interest in the photos. To me they are simply snapshots. I think she has misunderstood the aesthetic foundation of HCB's "decisive moment."
But about the judgement meted out on the overweight I think no further proof is required than this thread.
Still, much more interesting photographic subject than cats and as a project potentially quite powerful. And as a fleeting moment, even if not "decisive", photography is an appropriate medium.
Apparently your the guy who can't read. I said precludes her from exercise. Hypothyroidism does not preclude someone from exercise. I'am not saying I know her medical history but that's almost a laughable excuse shes giving.
Rodchenko
Olympian
And how many of the people depicted in these photographs have that information and can make an informed judgment over whether they should mock, sneer or otherwise deride, or not?
Sejanus.Aelianus
Veteran
And how many of the people depicted in these photographs have that information and can make an informed judgment over whether they should mock, sneer or otherwise deride, or not?
The point that I failed to make is that I lost that weight without any increase in my excercise level but rather by carefully counting the calories consumed. I have spoken to several NHS dieticians who have told me that this is the safest and best way to bring yourself to a healthy weight, because it trains your eating habits for the long term. Moreover, I lost weight while eating all sorts of things like chocolate, cakes, meat and whatever else I fancied, I just ate smaller amounts and continue to do so.
I'm not boasting here, because I have nothing to boast about. All I'm doing is looking after myself, as we all should. Moreover, while I would never deride someone for being overweight, I do have negative feelings towards anyone who will not make the effort and then complains that they're discriminated against.
Mind you, I feel even more strongly that all those diet gurus, who claim that their wonder method will help you shed weight in a ridiculously short time, should have a special furnace reserved for them in hell.
Photo_Smith
Well-known
I thought it was an interesting read, her photos less so but they do show the way people judge over weight people.
I think most people look at her in disgust, and even in this thread people seem to think this 'fatty' just needs to exercise and eat less-in fact they offer her that advice.
The problem being this woman has a serious medical problem called hypothyroidism where the thyroid gland is underactive-my mother suffers from the same illness you have no control over your weight and need to take a chemical called Thyroxine™ everyday to stay alive.
I think some of the people here should try to understand that, in fact they mirror the ugliness show to the woman in the story-possibly she has a much bigger point?
I wonder if people who see people with other serious medical conditions that cause them to look 'abnormal' offer similar advice-tolerence and understanding I bet she gets so little!
I think most people look at her in disgust, and even in this thread people seem to think this 'fatty' just needs to exercise and eat less-in fact they offer her that advice.
The problem being this woman has a serious medical problem called hypothyroidism where the thyroid gland is underactive-my mother suffers from the same illness you have no control over your weight and need to take a chemical called Thyroxine™ everyday to stay alive.
I think some of the people here should try to understand that, in fact they mirror the ugliness show to the woman in the story-possibly she has a much bigger point?
I wonder if people who see people with other serious medical conditions that cause them to look 'abnormal' offer similar advice-tolerence and understanding I bet she gets so little!
Photo_Smith
Well-known
The point that I failed to make is that I lost that weight without any increase in my excercise level but rather by carefully counting the calories consumed.
Do you suffer from the same serious life threatening illness that makes the woman in the story fat?
Richard G
Veteran
Sometimes RFF can just be like the internet usually is, but this time even I'm surprised.
Sejanus.Aelianus
Veteran
It's entirely possible to control your weight enjoyably. As an example, did you know that many types of ice cream provide less than 150 kilocalories per 100 grammes? Compare that with typical values of 230 kilocalories per 100 grammes for wholemeal bread.
So you can lose weight and still enjoy yourself...
So you can lose weight and still enjoy yourself...

NY_Dan
Well-known
I'm not a fan of the end product -- the photos.
Are Haley Morris - Cafiero's motives and methods disingenuous and manipulative? It's possible.
Let's not make a mockery of this thread:
http://youtu.be/XtmuXWCFQzE
Are Haley Morris - Cafiero's motives and methods disingenuous and manipulative? It's possible.
Let's not make a mockery of this thread:
http://youtu.be/XtmuXWCFQzE
Sid836
Well-known
One thing that made me love doing photography is that it had made me leave the refrigerator alone and go out take some photos.
The best way to keep yourself fit!
The best way to keep yourself fit!
froyd
Veteran
I'd like to think she's holding a mirror to society, but I'm little skeptical. It's not uncommon to capture goofy expressions on people's faces if they are not aware they are being photographed. I wonder if all the gazes were as mean-spirited as the freeze frames suggest. Also, that shot of NY finest seems a little hard to believe, would the cop be really so dumb to ridicule a bystander in public, under the eyes of hundreds of people on the street? If true, shame on him, if contrived, shame on her.
Sparrow
Veteran
Didn't read the article did you? She DOES have a serious health problem. She's tried what you recommended. It didn't work for
her. For some reason she's sick of people making judgements based purely on her appearance. As for shaming, I think she's just trying to document.
I'm not saying I think there is an ounce of visual interest in the photos. To me they are simply snapshots. I think she has misunderstood the aesthetic foundation of HCB's "decisive moment."
But about the judgement meted out on the overweight I think no further proof is required than this thread.
Still, much more interesting photographic subject than cats and as a project potentially quite powerful. And as a fleeting moment, even if not "decisive", photography is an appropriate medium.
My Mother has been taking thyroxine as a medication for the last twenty odd years ... if Ms Morris-Cafiero thyroid is underproductive there is a simple treatment. Oh, and if her thyroxine levels actually were low she would be at home asleep not wandering around taking candid photos
Tijmendal
Young photog
Art. Yuck. Disgusting.
She's totally missing the point of it all.
She's totally missing the point of it all.
Sid836
Well-known
She fails to make a strong point of something. Also the fact that she tries too hard to make a point makes it a lot worse.
zauhar
Veteran
Art. Yuck. Disgusting.
She's totally missing the point of it all.
I guess she should be challenging in a safe way.
back alley
IMAGES
wow, who knew we had so many informed art crtics here at rff?
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