DougFord
on the good foot
Son of Konost 😱
OK Ladies and Germs, place your bets.
I'm thinking this thing is actually going to be built.
OK Ladies and Germs, place your bets.
I'm thinking this thing is actually going to be built.
PIXII New french M Mount digital rangefinder announced
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nickthetasmaniac
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Global shutter!?
Sumarongi
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Well, they're FRENCH camera makers!
They once even made a «Fap Norca Pin-Up», see:
http://www.collection-appareils.fr/x/html/appareil-10826-Fap_Norca Pin-Up.html
Huss
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I like it. Looks like a digital Minolta CLE
bmattock
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I wish it said what size the sensor is.
nickthetasmaniac
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What's being a French camera maker got to do with a global shutter? I don't follow...
Beemermark
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I like the blond.
Sort of miss the point of the camera
Sort of miss the point of the camera
shawn
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A global shutter is an electronic shutter where the entire sensor data is read out at the same instant.
Typically, electronic shutters (rolling shutters) scan over the sensor and it takes some amount of time which can lead to motion effects. For example this was shot with a Pentax Q using an adapted lens so it used an electronic rolling shutter which caused the distortion on the props.
You can get motion artifacts with mechanical shutters too (they scan over the film/sensor) but the effects are typically less noticeable compared to rolling electronic shutters. A global electronic shutter avoids these distortions.
If it does use a global electronic shutter in place of a mechanical shutter it will be totally silent with no chance of shutter shock as there are no moving parts for the shutter.
Shawn
farlymac
PF McFarland
To say the least, it looks to be a well designed and constructed camera. More sophisticated than quite a few Kickstarter projects I've seen.
But just the fact it has the M mount means it could be a bit pricey. If they can keep it within $1,000 it might sell like hotcakes.
PF
But just the fact it has the M mount means it could be a bit pricey. If they can keep it within $1,000 it might sell like hotcakes.
PF
nickthetasmaniac
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I probably should have elaborated on that... I know what a global shutter is, I was just surprised to see it listed amongst the specs. I was under the impression global shutters were considered one of the big photographic engineering challenges, even for tech giants like Sony.
Out to Lunch
Ventor
My thinking as well.
Erik van Straten
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It is not a small camera, I guess the size is almost an M2. The base of the rangefinder is huge.
Erik.
Erik.
Dguebey
Amateur
You never heard of "Imaging Valley" around Grenoble, in the French Alps! Here they build sensors for Leica M240 and some other gear.
See https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1332112
Contarama
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If anyone could pull this off it would be the French....how much bebe? 🙂
Jamie123
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Also, all the product shots seem to have a very wide lens attached (like 21mm) which would be an odd choice to use in an advert for a camera with a FF sensor.
Paul T.
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Seems a really, really good concept to me.
I like the looks, very Braun.
But the crunch will be whether the screen-free camera costs more than a camera with screen. We've had it noted before that an RF mechanism, being mechanical, is one of the most expensive components of a camera and quite likely will cost more than a swanky screen made in China/
I like the looks, very Braun.
But the crunch will be whether the screen-free camera costs more than a camera with screen. We've had it noted before that an RF mechanism, being mechanical, is one of the most expensive components of a camera and quite likely will cost more than a swanky screen made in China/
Mcary
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"Framelines for standard prime lenses: 40/50mm, 28/35mm" So ideal for some but rather limiting for others.
info@pixii.fr if anyone wants to email them to ask what size sensor it has.
info@pixii.fr if anyone wants to email them to ask what size sensor it has.
shawn
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I think they are difficult for sensor manufacturers, but once it is built into the sensor it is just a feature to use by the camera manufacturer. If it is using a global shutter that is an interesting way of reducing the mechanical complexity of the camera.
Shawn
willie_901
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The Leica M10, M240, M9 pixel pitches are 6.0, 6.0 and 6.9 um respectively. The Nikon D-850 has a 4.35 um pixel pitch. The sensor area had better be 24 X 36 mm. Otherwise there's not much sense in using the M/LTM mount. Since, 24 X 36 mm sensors are common, so I'm optimistic.
Using the contemporary smart-phone user interface is obvious to everyone but the mainstream manufacturers.
For one thing menu set up and changes could be significantly improved. It would be trivial to save and switch between different sets of complete menu parameters. Second, the images would be integrated into all the way smartphone images are currently used. Third, manufacturing costs would be significantly lower. Building and supporting iOS and Android apps is much less resource intensive compared to in-camera firmware.
If the electronic shutter is truly a practical global shutter, then that is also a significant breakthrough.
I hope frame line support is easily expanded. I'm not very interested in medium-telephoto focal lengths with an optical RF.
Besides wondering if the camera will ever make it to market, I have two concerns. Will the rangefinder mechanism be useful, accurate and robust? Signal-to-noise ratio determines dynamic range and low-light performance. Assuming the sensor is 24 X 36 mm, will the SNR be at least as good as current APS-C sensors?
Using the contemporary smart-phone user interface is obvious to everyone but the mainstream manufacturers.
For one thing menu set up and changes could be significantly improved. It would be trivial to save and switch between different sets of complete menu parameters. Second, the images would be integrated into all the way smartphone images are currently used. Third, manufacturing costs would be significantly lower. Building and supporting iOS and Android apps is much less resource intensive compared to in-camera firmware.
If the electronic shutter is truly a practical global shutter, then that is also a significant breakthrough.
I hope frame line support is easily expanded. I'm not very interested in medium-telephoto focal lengths with an optical RF.
Besides wondering if the camera will ever make it to market, I have two concerns. Will the rangefinder mechanism be useful, accurate and robust? Signal-to-noise ratio determines dynamic range and low-light performance. Assuming the sensor is 24 X 36 mm, will the SNR be at least as good as current APS-C sensors?
c.poulton
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This concept does sound very appealing to me - it’s great not to have a screen on the camera and using an app which could be customised or perhaps even allow for 3rd party developers to build upon is quite exciting.
Although I’m a 100% film shooter, I am tempted by this concept. A simple no frills camera that takes my M glass and doesn’t have the distractions of so many digital cameras on the market today. This could be one of the most exciting camera releases in a long time.
Let’s see if it actually gets to market and ultimately what the cost will be - so far so good but the developers have a long way to go yet. I personally wish them luck.
Although I’m a 100% film shooter, I am tempted by this concept. A simple no frills camera that takes my M glass and doesn’t have the distractions of so many digital cameras on the market today. This could be one of the most exciting camera releases in a long time.
Let’s see if it actually gets to market and ultimately what the cost will be - so far so good but the developers have a long way to go yet. I personally wish them luck.
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