micromontenegro
Well-known
That sure sounds as underexposure. A scan would help.
And a couple of decades as a proof reader say: "If the quoted fragment ends with a period, it goes inside." "On the other hand, if it does not".
And a couple of decades as a proof reader say: "If the quoted fragment ends with a period, it goes inside." "On the other hand, if it does not".
M. Valdemar
Well-known
All u peeps is write. Next time u axe a ? I won't say nuthing like B4.
Sparrow
Veteran
I’m pretty sure a Panda is a type of bear; I could be wrong. I may also have mistakenly used a semicolon. I’m just a reckless sort of chap.
kshapero
South Florida Man
Since I mainly use a ZI, could I solve the problem of underexposure by compensating by say, one + stop?
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Except that the joke as I saw it depends on the punctuation. 'Eats shoots and leaves' is an accurate description of a panda's diet. 'Eats, shoots and leaves' is what the panda does in the story -- which, in the version I read, depends on the panda's giving the restaurant manager the book with the poorly punctuated version in it.
Grammatically it turns on the change in the meaning of 'shoots' and 'leaves' from nouns to verbs as a consequence of inserting the comma.
Cheers,
Roger
After all of this, I would suggest calling KEH and telling them the first test roll seemed to indicate a problem with the camera. Tell them that you are inclined to return it, but ask if you could get an extension on the normal return period to try a second roll of film. Just to be certain that the camera's not at fault, shoot a roll in your known good Olympus and the Rollei at the same exposure settings.
Good luck.
Good luck.
lawnpotter
Well-known
Thanks for all the replies
Thanks for all the replies
Brian, that is great advice, I will do that tommorrow. Today I went to a pro lab and they said my exposures seemed fine. The girl said that the pictures are not grainy but digitaly noisy, due to the digital processing that they went through. She said if I print them with analogue equip, than my problems should go away. I will pick up some new prints from the pro lab tommorow. Thanks again everyone.
Thanks for all the replies
Brian, that is great advice, I will do that tommorrow. Today I went to a pro lab and they said my exposures seemed fine. The girl said that the pictures are not grainy but digitaly noisy, due to the digital processing that they went through. She said if I print them with analogue equip, than my problems should go away. I will pick up some new prints from the pro lab tommorow. Thanks again everyone.
payasam
a.k.a. Mukul Dube
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Of course, Indian English is another language again. To take an automotive example, what the English call the sump, Americans call the oil pan and Indians call the chamber...
Cheers,
R.
> The girl said that the pictures are not grainy but digitaly noisy, due to the digital
> processing that they went through.
That makes sense. If the negatives were too dense from over-exposure, the digital sensor would pick up a lot of noise. If they were too thin from underexposure, the gain used to print them would make it look noisy. Either way, I'm amazed at how far off an exposure can be and the store print look good. Usually "my error" and shooting at the wrong speed. Or leaving a roll of film half used in a camera for 5 years...whoops...
> processing that they went through.
That makes sense. If the negatives were too dense from over-exposure, the digital sensor would pick up a lot of noise. If they were too thin from underexposure, the gain used to print them would make it look noisy. Either way, I'm amazed at how far off an exposure can be and the store print look good. Usually "my error" and shooting at the wrong speed. Or leaving a roll of film half used in a camera for 5 years...whoops...
fidget
Lemon magnet
On a similar theme, some time ago I had to use the supermarket processing and print service for my test films for a few new cameras. My (mistaken) belief was that 6x4 prints would show up most faults.
I didn't expect that the prints would show out of focus or soft images, as they are 6x4 and are little too small to use to check for sharpness. All prints from two cameras showed a "soft" focus, not what I wanted at all. As the prints showed this at 6x4, I thought that the images must have been very poor indeed. I passed one of the cameras on and left the other in the "shouldn't have bought that" box.
Only when I tried the same with a new lens for my FSU RF camera did I become suspicious when they too came out very poor. I took the negs (C41 B&W) and printed a couple up myself. They were fine.
I had a word with the very pleasant but absolutely non technical operator, who told me that she likes to work the photographic equipment as a nice break from the cold meats counter and had no idea what "my problem" was. She could only offer a reprint.
At around the same time, my wife was regularly having 6x4 prints made from files from her digi compact. These came out beautifully. They knocked spots off my prints from negs.
So, I concluded that there was some poor performance or problem with the neg scanner on the equipment. More importantly, these things can't be relied upon, just ask Sharon on the cold counter!
Dave
I didn't expect that the prints would show out of focus or soft images, as they are 6x4 and are little too small to use to check for sharpness. All prints from two cameras showed a "soft" focus, not what I wanted at all. As the prints showed this at 6x4, I thought that the images must have been very poor indeed. I passed one of the cameras on and left the other in the "shouldn't have bought that" box.
Only when I tried the same with a new lens for my FSU RF camera did I become suspicious when they too came out very poor. I took the negs (C41 B&W) and printed a couple up myself. They were fine.
I had a word with the very pleasant but absolutely non technical operator, who told me that she likes to work the photographic equipment as a nice break from the cold meats counter and had no idea what "my problem" was. She could only offer a reprint.
At around the same time, my wife was regularly having 6x4 prints made from files from her digi compact. These came out beautifully. They knocked spots off my prints from negs.
So, I concluded that there was some poor performance or problem with the neg scanner on the equipment. More importantly, these things can't be relied upon, just ask Sharon on the cold counter!
Dave
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Roger Hicks
Veteran
Dear Dave,
It was by no means unknown, in the days of purely optical printing, for the operator to set the focus slightly 'off', in order to help lose scratches, hairs, thumb-prints, etc.
I wonder if something similar is being done, either optically or via software.
Cheers,
R.
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
maybe tell KEH that their punctuation system is wrong and you want your money back.
After all, that seems to be the most important thing in the replies
Oh sorry. I mean
"may be tell KEH they're puncuation systM iz rong n u want you're $$ back.".
After all, that seems to be the most important thing in the replies
Oh sorry. I mean
"may be tell KEH they're puncuation systM iz rong n u want you're $$ back.".
S
Scarpia
Guest
A panda walks into a restaurant, sits down and orders a sandwich. After he finishes eating the sandwich, the panda pulls out a gun and shoots the waiter, and then stands up to go. "Hey!" shouts the manager. "Where are you going? You just shot my waiter and you didn't pay for your sandwich!"
The panda yells back at the manager, "Hey man, I am a PANDA! Look it up!"
The manager opens his dictionary and sees the following definition for panda: "A tree-dwelling marsupial of Asian origin, characterised by distinct black and white colouring. Eats shoots and leaves."
Pandas are not marsupials!
Kurt M.
olroy2044
Newbie
I've been using a 35s for about 30 years, and have had excellent results from any film I put in it. The meter packed up twice, had it repaired once and just forgot about it and went to a hand meter the second time. The issue at hand definitly sounds like under exposure to me. The posters are all correct in saying that lens sharpness has no bearing on graininess. The last roll I shot in the little Rollei was Superia 400. Here's a couple frames from that roll:
This one was published as the cover of a small circulation outdoor mag
The little Rollei is capable of superb results, if you do your part. Cheers Roy
This one was published as the cover of a small circulation outdoor mag
The little Rollei is capable of superb results, if you do your part. Cheers Roy
pvdhaar
Peter
Oh, you mean the story didn't really happen?Pandas are not marsupials!
Along the same lines..
Two guys, both avid hunters, go out to shoot rabbits. But one of them has this spray can, that he tells the other is totally awesome.. and he'll show as soon as they've shot one of them rodents.
So after a while, they see a bunny and shoot it. They walk up to it, and yes, it's completely blown apart. Now this guy pulls out the spray can and uses it on the rabbit. Guess what? It jumps up, hops up a hill, and before vanishing to the other side, looks back, raises its front paw and waves to the hunters.
Of course, the other guy is totally amazed and asks what type of spray can that is. Well, says the guy with the can; 'I found this in the bathroom, it's my wife's. But here, read the small print: '.. restores life to dead hare, and adds wave..'
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lawnpotter
Well-known
Thank you for all the replies
Thank you for all the replies
The results from a roll of tmax 100 were more to my liking, but in the end, I returned the rollei and bought instead an Olympus RC. For me it just seems a better fit. Thanks again
Thank you for all the replies
The results from a roll of tmax 100 were more to my liking, but in the end, I returned the rollei and bought instead an Olympus RC. For me it just seems a better fit. Thanks again
rolleistef
Well-known
Another story, about pronunciation :
A motorway walks into a bar, sits and order a beer. It's a big strong motorway (M25-ish) with 4 lanes. At that moment, a thin long macadam path enters into the bar and orders a beer as well.
At that moment, the motorway jumps, shaking, behind the bar counter, it's really afraid. "But how", says the barman, "you a big strong motorway, being afraid of that!" "Can't you see it's a cycle path?"
A motorway walks into a bar, sits and order a beer. It's a big strong motorway (M25-ish) with 4 lanes. At that moment, a thin long macadam path enters into the bar and orders a beer as well.
At that moment, the motorway jumps, shaking, behind the bar counter, it's really afraid. "But how", says the barman, "you a big strong motorway, being afraid of that!" "Can't you see it's a cycle path?"
kuzano
Veteran
Could the problem have been a light seal....
Could the problem have been a light seal....
In keeping with how this thread has degraded:
Your problem reminds me of the Penguin who takes his BMW into the shop for the service department to find an fluid leak. The service manager tells him it will take about an hour.
Standing in the waiting room, the penguin notices a Baskin and Robbins 31 flavors across the street. He marches across and orders a double scoop of his favorite Vanilla Bean ice cream. Naturally since Penguins have to eat with flippers, its a bit of a messy process.
He goes back to the BMW dealership, just as the service manager comes into the waiting room. The service manager says, "Well sir, it looks like you blew a seal."
"OH No, No, No" protests the Seal, wiping his flippers around his mouth. "That's just ice cream you see on my face."
Could the problem have been a light seal....
In keeping with how this thread has degraded:
Your problem reminds me of the Penguin who takes his BMW into the shop for the service department to find an fluid leak. The service manager tells him it will take about an hour.
Standing in the waiting room, the penguin notices a Baskin and Robbins 31 flavors across the street. He marches across and orders a double scoop of his favorite Vanilla Bean ice cream. Naturally since Penguins have to eat with flippers, its a bit of a messy process.
He goes back to the BMW dealership, just as the service manager comes into the waiting room. The service manager says, "Well sir, it looks like you blew a seal."
"OH No, No, No" protests the Seal, wiping his flippers around his mouth. "That's just ice cream you see on my face."