jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
I'm sure they prefer selling M9-s. 
Btw, on the M9, the set button doubles as protect button.
Btw, on the M9, the set button doubles as protect button.ChrisC
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I must have an easier camera to use than some complainants. When I want to change ISO I hit the bottom Set button twice and I select a different ISO, how much easier could that be? But the OP knows this because he got a similar reply from someone else when he posted the same M8 'improvement' post elsewhere.
Somehow I can't see that finishing/rewinding/replacing a film [especially with a film 'M'] and winding on is either easier or 'a more direct process' [????] than tapping a button twice and scrolling one's ISO choice [about two seconds work if you are really slow].
Oh well ........
............ Chris
Paul Luscher
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Only one way to fix the problem: trade out for an M9.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Yes - I can tell the difference between a bum shot and a head shot on the LCD and on the M8 one can judge the plane of focus at full zoom -not on the M9 though - and yes - in the 2 Gb time it was a big deal if I had to take five or fifteen cards .No - the nearest Pygmy village would be the closest shop -not good for extra cards. Nowaday it is of course far less pressing with the larger cards, but it still saves a lot of disk space in the computer.
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henry fool
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I theory it sounds good but what exactly do we stand to gain by this? I don't have much trouble changing ISO on the fly as it is - here's my take on it:
To change the ISO is it not a case of pressing the SET button, the ISO menu is first so it's already selected, pressing SET again opens it, you scroll to select your ISO and press SET again to choose it and you're done? (1 button, 3 presses)
Even if there was a dedicated ISO button you'd have to press it, scroll to choose the ISO and press SET (I presume) to activate it. (2 buttons, 2 presses)
Not sure if I'm right here but are we talking about shaving off 1 button press? I'd see the point if you had to dig through the menu system to change ISO but it's not that laborious for me as it is.
Now if we had the ability to manually choose lens type, that would be useful!
To change the ISO is it not a case of pressing the SET button, the ISO menu is first so it's already selected, pressing SET again opens it, you scroll to select your ISO and press SET again to choose it and you're done? (1 button, 3 presses)
Even if there was a dedicated ISO button you'd have to press it, scroll to choose the ISO and press SET (I presume) to activate it. (2 buttons, 2 presses)
Not sure if I'm right here but are we talking about shaving off 1 button press? I'd see the point if you had to dig through the menu system to change ISO but it's not that laborious for me as it is.
Now if we had the ability to manually choose lens type, that would be useful!
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
Two motions: hold down ISO button, scroll to ISO value with wheel. No need for SET.
Ming Rider
Film, the next evolution.
To answer a few poster's questions about why I would bring up a subject that has been raised many times before.
As the events in Egypt, Libya, Burma, Milton Keynes, etc have shown, the citizens of a united world nation can bring about change, real sustainable change. Only by standing together can we force the leaders (and camera manufacturers) of this planet to see the error of their ways and eliviate world suffering and bring about an end to buttons that serve no real useful purpose.
I thank you.
As the events in Egypt, Libya, Burma, Milton Keynes, etc have shown, the citizens of a united world nation can bring about change, real sustainable change. Only by standing together can we force the leaders (and camera manufacturers) of this planet to see the error of their ways and eliviate world suffering and bring about an end to buttons that serve no real useful purpose.
I thank you.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
I see that you are safely embedded in the first world.
There are no computers, shops or even electricity in the situation I am talking about. I would need to rent an extra camel to trnsport a MacPro, which is what I use. And in the computer, again, delete file by file? You have more spare time than I have. You are free to use the camera in any way you like, but I prefer to use this feature. My privilige, I believe.
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Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I see that you are safely embedded in the first world.
Sometimes you make flitting about Africa taking pics with your M9 seem like such a chore.
Stay at home and photograph your cat like a normal person!
user237428934
User deletion pending
Now I press 2x set to go to the ISO Menu. With that option I would press 1x protect to go to the ISO Menu. Now it takes a fraction of a second to go to the ISO Menu. Are we really talking about optimizing fractions of a second?
From a usability point of view I would not change the function of a dedicated button. The button is labelled "protect" and a user should find the function "protect", not "ISO Setting" when he presses this Button.
Another thought: let's switch some buttons to direct ISO settings. "Delete" to ISO160, "Protect" to ISO320 and "Info" to ISO640. Who really deletes images in the camera and need all the other buttons
From a usability point of view I would not change the function of a dedicated button. The button is labelled "protect" and a user should find the function "protect", not "ISO Setting" when he presses this Button.
Another thought: let's switch some buttons to direct ISO settings. "Delete" to ISO160, "Protect" to ISO320 and "Info" to ISO640. Who really deletes images in the camera and need all the other buttons
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Sometimes you make flitting about Africa taking pics with your M9 seem like such a chore.
Stay at home and photograph your cat like a normal person!
Oh- but I do photograph cats:
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Lss
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I don't have my camera in hand and can't check, but doesn't it default to last-used menu item and not the top-most menu item (ISO) when you press 'Set'? The key issue here for me is not the number of times you press a button, but the robustness/predictability of the controls. You actually cover the very same point with the following quote. However, a new user and an experienced user have different needs. Customization can confuse the former while it helps the latter.
Make it configurable with the defaul being no action on 'Protect'. Problem solved.
user237428934
User deletion pending
You are right regarding the first point. When you use "set" then the last used option is highlighted. Never figured this out because the only option I use is the ISO function.
Configurable is great for future cameras. You label the button "function", "fn" or whatever and document the behavior in the manual. The auto-iso feature that was added later is already a feature that you can't find in the manual of the m8. I think it's not so critical because the feature is only reachable through the menus. Re-functioning a dedicated button is not a good thing in my opinion.
ChrisC
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Well that should convince all of us. I hadn't realised how oppressed I was as a content two-button pusher, but seen in the context of revolutionary change I now see the foollishness of two-button ways and I henceforth join you and other comrades on the true one-button path.
Or I might just get out more. Either way; thanks for the laugh.
............ Chris
Ming Rider
Film, the next evolution.
Uhmm, Feline Porn at it's finest.
Mind you, there are those who would say that it is just this kind of sexploitation that has set the whole Feline Equality Movement back 20 years.
Either that, or she filmed it herself to upload at SeeMyPussy(Cat).com, in which case, she's no better than the rest of them. Sick perv's.
P.S. Great shot by the way. Bresson would probably have called this `The Explosive Moment`. The song `Turning Japanese` springs to mind.
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peterm1
Veteran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WXSI6PcjkE
OUR MOTTO and PROTEST CHANT
" What do we want?
A single button dedicated to a new function to be determined by democratic processes mediated through online technology!
When do we want it?
Soon! But not so soon as to be unseemly and only after reasonable debate and consensus has been reached"
NOW THATS HARD HITTING!
Or for those who are less engaged
"What do we want?
Nothing!
When do we want it?
Whenever!"
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Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Maybe Billy Bragg could write a song about it ... "The working man's camera just ain't working the way a man wants it to work!"
Pastor Chris
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My vote is for a programmable function button; ISO, EV, and so on. It should be an easy thing to do in firmware to be able to choose from among a few options that you might want to have in a dedicated hard button.
Rayt
Nonplayer Character
I see that you are safely embedded in the first world.
You are exaggerating. Belgium is quite modern I assure you.
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Roger Hicks
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Surely the real question is why Leica would spend the money to do this. Guaranteeing to 'support' (= repair) a camera for 20 years is not the same as 'open-ended free upgrades'.
Those who bought M8s did so because they reckoned that the advantages outweighed the disadvantages. The advantages have since been increased (slightly) and the disadvantages decreased (slightly). To ask for an 'upgrade' (which, apparently, not everyone agrees is an upgrade), for no money, on a discontinued camera, is optimistic.
Mind you, I did ask about a paid-for upgrade, with a right-way-round shutter speed dial (requires new dial and new software) and they did say, "Yes, that should not be too difficult." Unfortunately, that's a long way from saying 'yes'.
Cheers,
R.
Those who bought M8s did so because they reckoned that the advantages outweighed the disadvantages. The advantages have since been increased (slightly) and the disadvantages decreased (slightly). To ask for an 'upgrade' (which, apparently, not everyone agrees is an upgrade), for no money, on a discontinued camera, is optimistic.
Mind you, I did ask about a paid-for upgrade, with a right-way-round shutter speed dial (requires new dial and new software) and they did say, "Yes, that should not be too difficult." Unfortunately, that's a long way from saying 'yes'.
Cheers,
R.
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