laptoprob
back to basics
The 2nd swirly look seems like the 50/1,2. Could the other one be a CV Nokton?
I'd prefer a Sonnar I guess.
I'd prefer a Sonnar I guess.
Poll: Which Bokeh do you prefer?
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squinza
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As a matter of fact, i like neither...
Ezzie
E. D. Russell Roberts
I don't like either, either. I prefer a more neutral blurring than what is exhibited here, the blur patches are too defined, too much spherical aborration.
TWoK
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If number 2 is the 50/1.1 Nokton I'll be buying one tomorrow.
marcr1230
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I don't like either and like #2 least. it looks like Vaseline was used on the outside of the lens or filter creating a tunnel/swirl in the center. Definitely not to my taste.
ljsegil
Well-known
Seems like too much coma and poorly corrected astigmatism in the second. Prefer the first over the second, but neither over what I already have (and will I be embarrassed when it turns out I have both already and didn't even recognize them).
LJS
LJS
Assuming that both shots show the full frame, No. 2 is either a slightly longer focal length or you moved a little closer to the subject when you took the shot 😉
I'm guessing that No. 1 is the Heliar 50/2 and No. 2 is a faster lens, maybe 50/1.2?
I'm guessing that No. 1 is the Heliar 50/2 and No. 2 is a faster lens, maybe 50/1.2?
TWoK
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The OP stated they are the same FL at the same apeture. The DOF is also very similar, not as different as a f/1.2 vs an f/2 lens would be.
Well I just read through the thread and the OP said this:
Not unusual for there to be slight focal length differences, even between lenses that are nominally the same focal length.
The OP also said:
So I guess both lenses have the same maximum aperture as well as being shot at the same aperture (which was probably f2 since the OP has a Heliar), so I guess that removes the 50/1.2 from the selection.
slm
Formerly nextreme
I find both ok, but each would have it's own application. In this case, I consider this background less appropriate for #2, but I could see it used for other subjects.
Steven
Steven
ferider
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Shot # 1 Zeiss Planar 50/2.0
Shot # 2 Heliar Classic 50/2.0
... just a wild guess of course. 😛
Agree with Gabor.
These are about the worst bokeh conditions possible. 🙂
Shot # 2 Heliar Classic 50/2.0
... just a wild guess of course. 😛
Agree with Gabor.
These are about the worst bokeh conditions possible. 🙂
lawrence
Veteran
I prefer #2 mainly because the OOF highlights seem to be better controlled...
squinza
Established
It's time to show us the lenses, I'm gettin' more and more curious...
Dave Wilkinson
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I prefer - shaken, not stirred!🙄
but as a serious answer to a silly question - IMO they are both equally vile.
Dave.
but as a serious answer to a silly question - IMO they are both equally vile.
Dave.
maggieo
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MCTuomey
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#1 looks zeiss-like to me, more for its color rendition than the bokeh. i have the zm 50/2, but don't torture it like this :angel:
i have not been using zeiss lenses long, but none of my ZM lenses have produced bokeh like either shot. maybe neither shot was taken with a zeiss.
i have not been using zeiss lenses long, but none of my ZM lenses have produced bokeh like either shot. maybe neither shot was taken with a zeiss.
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Roger Hicks
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Dear Dave,
Yes. I thought about it long and hard, now leaning towards #1, now towards #2, before coming to exactly the same conclusion.
To me, what these shots REALLY show is that once bokeh is obtrusive, the picture falls apart. I fully take the OP's point and applaud the exercise, but for me, it's yet another nail in the coffin for 'Here's my cat, look at the bokeh' pictures.
On the other point, stirred, not shaken. I hate watery martinis. Why on earth would Bond go for the wrong sort?
Cheers,
R.
dirojas
dirojas
I´ll play.. First, same settings in aperture & shutter speeds used in both shots? The second one looks overexposed compared to the first, but it could be just differences in each lens contrast. Second, the field of view looks like a 35mm lens was used to me, and because of the vignetting and the rounded circles in the OOF areas, I think the pictures were taken wide open in both cases.
I think the lenses are:
#1 35mm Nokton f1.4
#2 35mm Summilux pre-asph
The first picture has looks better exposed to my eyes, specially for the saturation. I prefer #2 lens OOF areas, remind me my Summar, it is not as "safe" as #1, but you can get interesting effects and I like surprisses 🙂
I think the lenses are:
#1 35mm Nokton f1.4
#2 35mm Summilux pre-asph
The first picture has looks better exposed to my eyes, specially for the saturation. I prefer #2 lens OOF areas, remind me my Summar, it is not as "safe" as #1, but you can get interesting effects and I like surprisses 🙂
pevelg
Well-known
I like and dislike both. I like #2 rendition better, but I dislike the swirl. #1 looks harsher but more pleasing. Thus, a toss up for me.
bean_counter
Well-known
+1
I shall say that I dislike #1 less than #2; I dislike the swirlies more than the harshness.
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