mfunnell
Shaken, so blurred
Well, I try - but I drive a clapped-out Saab 900GLE so sometimes it's difficult, even on mild hills.
...Mike
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bmattock
Veteran
You don't have an electric vehicle yet?
When I can buy one for $500 on eBay, like my current vehicle...
sepiareverb
genius and moron
Not exactly. Consider that if we all here stopped using all our chemistry there would be no measurable change in the environment (save for beside Dave's shed) as combined we make up such a miniscule percentage of the chemistry poured down drains. If we all showered once a week we'd still not come close to saving anywhere near the amount of water many single factories waste in a single day.
When the materials are disposed of carefully and within regulations I have no moral problem using film. I take my chemistry to work for proper disposal and treatment as I'm on a septic tank. If you think it is a problem for you, in your set-up, then by all means take whatever actions you feel are necessary.
I didn't tell him to dump it down the storm drain or pour it on his cornflakes. I gave an example of dealing with photo chemistry properly (following local law and strict organizational policy) which does allow for developer to be poured down the drain. You may not like it but it is perfectly acceptable to our Chemical Control Officer who is very well versed in federal and local law and informed on the hazards of every chemical used in our lab. The opinion of someone with years of education and training around this issue seemed relevant to the discussion.
I haven't asked for her thoughts on your car, but I can if you like.
sepiareverb
genius and moron
Ooh a bike rider?
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Dear Bill,
There's an old saying to the effect that laws are for the obedience of the foolish and the guidance of the wise.
The actual working rules of a society, as distinct from its huffings, puffings and posturings, are not necessarily summarized at all well in law. I think it was Sir Robert Mark, sometime Chief Constable of the Metropolitan Police, who said something to the effect that some laws are passed to reflect public opinion, not to be enforced.
Cheers,
R.
Sparrow
Veteran
You could ask why they use mercury in all those millions of eco-light bulbs, but I can’t have an occasional battery
mfunnell
Shaken, so blurred
A vehicle for less than $500 certainly doesn't have to be a bike. My current actual motor car, such as it is, was considered to be worth less-than-zero dollars. When the previous owner tried to sell it to a wrecker, each one he approached wanted to charge him money to take it away. I saved him money by taking it off his hands without charging him a cent.
...Mike
sepiareverb
genius and moron
Sparrow
Veteran
Precisely my point. But I guess you'd never confuse a lightbulb with a lozenge.
or Dental fillings then?
sepiareverb
genius and moron
I forgot my smiley.
I was joking about Bill's eco-samaritan high horse. All of the many $500 cars I've ridden in have been pretty darn smelly and smoky, yet they still likely pollute less than making a new one.
No wonder I'm such a moron.
bmattock
Veteran
I agree with this statement.
Sounds good to me. I advocate finding out and following the local rules. Where I currently live, there are no regulations surrounding the disposal of used photo chemicals. Where I previously lived, there were. In both cases, there are designated hazardous chemical disposal locations, and it is no trouble for me to take my used chemicals there. I don't have to do it, but since it's not a bother and it clearly can't do any harm to do so, I do it.
Feel free!
bmattock
Veteran
I have a bike and ride it, but not often. Here in Detroit, I'd most likely be shot off of it, and work is 25 miles away. Don't ask me to live near where I work, I'd be murdered for simply living in the area.
No, it's a car. 1994 Mitsubishi Mirage. Leaks oil, to my dismay, but it seems reliable and it gets 30 mpg, which my 2005 Kia Sorento does not; so the Sorento stays parked except in winter.
Sparrow
Veteran
For the record, I’m boringly compliant too, dev and fix go for disposal and I neutralise the stop with washing soda and it goes down the drain.
mfunnell
Shaken, so blurred
I was about to say "damn!" because my Saab only gets 25. But then I realised your gallons aren't gallons. In your measures I get 28 (from an '84-ish Saab), which isn't so bad.
...Mike
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
Just use diafine - you will never have to pour any developer down the drain.
the fixer is a bit nasty, indeed. I am lucky, we have some cleanrooms at work where disposal of much much nastier chemicals is happening - i just add my fixer to the big tanks of wasted photoresist stripper and acetone where plenty of other metals are floating around too.
the fixer is a bit nasty, indeed. I am lucky, we have some cleanrooms at work where disposal of much much nastier chemicals is happening - i just add my fixer to the big tanks of wasted photoresist stripper and acetone where plenty of other metals are floating around too.
bmattock
Veteran
Like you, however, going the speed limit is more a practical application then strict observance at times. My drive to work is on a highway with a 70 mpg speed limit. That's about as fast as the Mitsu will go without vibrating into pieces. But I am routinely overhauled and passed by honking drivers of monster SUVs doing 90 mph. I try to stay out of their way.
mfunnell
Shaken, so blurred
I semi-regularly drive to Canberra (where my parents live; about 3.5 hours away) and there's this one hill near Berrima - I have to build up some speed on the downhill lead-up to maintain any sort of speed on the uphill part. I prepare for this, every trip, by applying fresh duct tape. Yet still I worry - how much vibration will that stuff take before it lets go...
...Mike
agianelo
Established
I remember reading an article (years ago in Photo Techniques Magazine) that actually claimed that the chemicals were GOOD for the septic system. The article was:
PHOTOCHEMICALS - and septic systems, Volume 19, Number 1, Page 29, Year 98
I have ordered a reprint and will report back on whether or not my memory serves me well.
Angelo
PHOTOCHEMICALS - and septic systems, Volume 19, Number 1, Page 29, Year 98
I have ordered a reprint and will report back on whether or not my memory serves me well.
Angelo
mfunnell
Shaken, so blurred
Anything but the fixer and it's at least possible. I can't imagine the fixer is good for anything much biological and, um, fixed in place.
...Mike
Papa Smurf
Established
If silver is terribly toxic, then why can one buy silver solutions to drink for one's health? Never tried them myself, but others say there are many benefits to such drinks? Only in the good 'ol US of A can one find so many experts with counter-poising views on the same subject. In most other modern Countries the experts must have credible credentials and a history of being, at least occasionally, correct. Like a plumber friend of mine said to me, "according to the Government experts, he died ten years ago" (from lead not silver poisoning).
Common sense should go a long way here. It is only reasonable that an amateur that dumps a liter a week of chemicals down the drain, I do not dump any down my drain, but if one did, that would be more serious than if the same amateur dumped a liter every three months. Obey the laws, as has been pointed out, but keep things in perspective. Somewhere between the new USDA czar's belief that we humans have no right to poison rats and the wholesale pollution of the past is a middle ground where we all can live, prosper, and pursue our interests.