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Concerning the type of paper question, I mainly use Epson Hot Press Natural. It's consistent one box to the next and has a nice smooth matte surface that I like. I also use some of the Canson smooth matte papers as well--PrintMaking Rag and Rag Photographique. Hahnemuhle Photo Rag is another favorite. I don't use textured paper much but I do like Hahnemuhle Museum Etching or Epson Velvet Fine Art when I do. But over 90% of my printing is done on Epson's Hot Press Natural.


EDIT: I'll throw this in since the conversation has been moving into a process vs results direction. Basically, I subscribe to the points made by the late Richard Benson in his lectures and book "The Printed Picture". And that is that the only thing important is How The Picture Looks. How you got there is of little consequence as long as the picture looks good. Perhaps no one understood the various printing processes as well as Benson.
 
I use Innova papers for digital. Their fiba range for semigloss and soft textured natural white for matte. I use their cold press rough textured if I want some tooth. I try to avoid papers with optical brighteners. I’m not sure if Innova papers are available in the US. They are very reasonably priced in the UK.

In the darkroom I use Ilford multigrade for normal prints and a range of papers for lith prints (mainly Foma).


Innova papers are carried in U.S. (see B&H).
 
I prefer analog silver printing to ink jet printing as shown by the richness of Eric's and others prints shown above. Tonality is superb.
But a good inkjet print can still have decent tonality. Here is one of my better efforts with the Epson 3883 printer. I cannot recall the paper used.

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Art vs. Process is not mutually exclusive. In fact it shouldn't be versus, but: Art and process.

There's always a process to an art, and there are as many processes as there are practitioners. You need both otherwise you have nothing worth looking at.

I've grown suspicious of platitudes like "it's all about storytelling" or "it's the content that matters" just as much as the creator who says they can't change their process. Both are falsehoods. But I understand there are times in an artistic journey when it's important to dig one's heels in.
 
Art vs. Process is not mutually exclusive. In fact it shouldn't be versus, but: Art and process.

There's always a process to an art, and there are as many processes as there are practitioners. You need both otherwise you have nothing worth looking at.

I've grown suspicious of platitudes like "it's all about storytelling" or "it's the content that matters" just as much as the creator who says they can't change their process. Both are falsehoods. But I understand there are times in an artistic journey when it's important to dig one's heels in.

"can't change their process" ?

won't change their process. Beautiful papers have come & gone...Brovira, Brilliant, Fortezo..... but those have just been adjustments...
 
A quick response:

Using an inkjet printer isn't "photography." It's a process, that I do not wish to participate in again, ever.

If that was the sole possible way to make photographs, then I would give it up. Sorry, but it's a waste of my time to fight with a terrible process that brings me no joy. Please tell me what photographic processes, cameras, or other sundry items you HATE but choose to interact act with anyway?

Many folks have eschewed film/darkroom printing for digital because they didn't like that process. It's no different for me, except I eschew the modern home print technology. That choice should be respected.

And yes, process is important too, as others mention. Please go talk to painters and ask why they don't all paint with acrylics, etc.
 
A quick response:

Using an inkjet printer isn't "photography."

Tell THAT to the museums and galleries that display and sell inkjet prints. It’s been a huge improvement in the archival aspects of color photography… oh, but let me guess… color isn’t photography! 😉
 
Absolutely, a great photo is a great photo irrespective of how it was created. Yes, a great backstory might unfold if a photograph might have, in the process, required a stranded photographer struggling through abominable conditions to consume his assistant’s flesh for sustenance, and that he only had one useable glass plate that was subsequently developed in a misanthropic bear’s cave. Yet, the photograph, while discreetly objectifying this tragic and herculean task, will nevertheless largely appeal only on its visual value to the observer. If a camera shutter was accidently pressed producing an equally appealing photograph, then so be it.

However, this does not negate the value of process for some photographers, particularly enthusiasts, who are not operating primarily for commerce. And for me, the process is an integral aspect of enhancing the overall experience, whereby no, it’s not just a matter of “getting the shot.” It was the process of shooting film, of using a film camera, that played a significant role in my switching from digital to film in 2008, a decision that has since remained uncontested. And in fact, if film were to vanish, I might find another hobby altogether, because, for me, the medium and the material are by no means inconsequential or trivial.

For roughly a decade, I made prints using a scanner and inkjet printer (mine or commercial). But I was never fully satisfied with the medium, which is not to be confused with the results, which were generally very good. There was just a psychological block that I’ve mentioned before, and not one born of nostalgia, since I had never worked in a darkroom previously. If anything, I cognitively adopted a bias confirmation approach to selecting articles that argued inkjet was as good if not better than wet prints; I wanted to believe. But something kept nagging.

So a few years back, I slowly started doing gelatin silver, and frankly, the process, in this case, was perhaps less preferential, but the results were more gratifying, because the medium was more gratifying. I still scan and use Photoshop to manipulate the look of a photo as well as to create images for online sharing; this is not a dogmatic rejection of anything in particular. And all of this, in terms of results, aims, gratification, and various subjective intangibles interact to place significant priority on the medium used and the process involved.

Consequently, it is not, or at least not always, a matter of unreasonable hysteria or radical impetuosity to conclude a pursuit if the pursuit’s required materials are no longer available, regardless of any concomitant ‘substitutes.’ And so when platinum became too scarce and cost prohibitive during WWI did Frederik Evans call it quits; and this was certainly his prerogative.

As for printing in general, it is, to me, the ultimate objective.
 
…a stranded photographer struggling through abominable conditions to consume his assistant’s flesh for sustenance…
I wonder if that contingency is specified in the employment contract. Best to leave it out.

Anyway, a well written post.
 
Tell THAT to the museums and galleries that display and sell inkjet prints.

You misunderstand me. I'm talking about the act of creating a photograph, with a camera or similar to capture light on a light-sensitive medium.

The print comes later...well except for photograms and the like. But that was my point, that a "photograph" is made irrespective of the print medium.
 
I wonder if that contingency is specified in the employment contract. Best to leave it out.

Ultimately the photographer works alone. I don't think Vittorio Sella had either an assistant to eat or a written contract with the Duke of Abruzzi... he processed plates in a tent during many expeditions to very wild & remote places. Neither online images or those in books can match the quality of the prints I was lucky enough to see. They made a greater impression on me than seeing prints of photographs by Cartier Bresson, Ansel Adams or any other photographer
 
I'm committed to traditional analog photography (and I've done my time with digital, and hated all aspects of the process). At 69, I'm old enough that I don't worry about traditional analog cameras and materials disappearing in my lifetime, and I've accumulated enough of a stash of mechanical cameras to see me through! But if I were younger, with longer-term concerns, or if the supply chains and infrastructure supporting analog photography were to begin to fray, I would as a last resort be building my own pinhole cameras, coating my own papers, and carrying on with the analog approach in one way or another.
Of course, if the world were to reach that point, I think we'd all have much larger concerns than the discontinuation of Tri-X. Trapping rainwater and setting out snares for wild bunnies might not leave too much time for darkroom work.
 
Cartier-Bresson didn't print himself. He was far too impatient for that. All his photos were printed by Pierre Gassmann's "Pictorial Service" company.


Erik.

Thanks for point out my slip of the keyboard, Erik. I did know that, I'll amend my sentence to read 'prints of photos by HCB' et al. The gist is the same.... sliver gelatin prints not inkjet..In the end, like paintings photographs are meant to be seen not on screens or in books but in person.
 
There may be a few photographers reading this thread with some amusement, to whom screen vs print, inkjet vs optical, is not even a consideration. Who? Those who’ve chosen transparency film and project their images.

As with Polaroid images, with transparencies you either have the exposure correct or you don’t. Likewise, each image is unique; it’s a one-of-kind original, unaltered, consequence of the photographer’s exposure. For better or worse. These photos are also conveniently stored. As we all know, the disadvantage is they need a projector and a good screen in order to be viewed properly. I’m sure there is also concern about repeated projections affecting the longevity of the image.

Even so, I wouldn’t be surprised if many slide film aficionados chose to scan and even print from their collection.
 
From my perspective, I was taking photos on ORWO slides. And projected them by cruel soviet diaprojektor on the half bed sheet hanging at the door.
Now I project my digital files on the screens.
 
Surely it is not a darkroom vs lightroom vs hybrid issue really. It is what you want to end up with. They are all equally valid and we should do what we are comfortable with and what gives us the most pleasure from the process or in creating our artistic vision.

When I take a photograph I am always aiming for a print so I know what I am probably going to have to do to the resulting file in software (if I go digital) or the resulting negative projected on the paper in the easel if I go analogue (in terms of negative choice and development, paper choice, contrast control or dodging/burning etc.)

If I set up a still life and take the shot using a digital camera I know what adjustments I can make in Capture One or whatever to manipulate the monochrome values and so on to produce an image I like on a particular medium. I generally print on matte fine art papers with some texture that look different to traditional photographic paper materials.

When I photograph a still life using film I know I am going for a different look and will be printing in the darkroom on a different type of paper or using a different process (such as lith printing) which will look quite different. And then there are a multitude of toning options etc.

So does it matter if I use digital/inkjet or film/darkroom or something in-between so long I realise my initial artistic intent as manifested in the print? I don't think so. And it's great today that we have so many choices.
 
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