printing on epson 3880

Jerkman said:
what is better ,quad tone rip or epson advanced black/mod,on the3880 epson:eek:
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Fundamentally makes no difference in terms of 'better' or 'worse'. They're two different printing workflows: learn whichever one appeals to you. Once you become expert in it, you'll get the same result as if you became expert in the other.

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IMO, a profiled work flow and none of the above. I do not like the ABW mode as it makes changes you cannot control or nicely predict. Once I got custom profiles for the papers I use I have no trouble getting perfectly neutral B&W results every bit as good as ABW in outright quality and a lot more predictable (not just in tone, but also contrast). If I want to add tone, I do so in LR and have infinitely more control than in ABW mode. This means I can produce far better prints than I could in ABW.

Personally, I think ABW is a neat short cut for people who do not understand B&W well, but no substitute whatsoever for doing things yourself.
 
^^^ Have you compared the shadow detail on your prints between the two techniques? And BTW, I am not talking about digital B&W, but about B&W.
 
Turtle said:
IMO, a profiled work flow and none of the above. I do not like the ABW mode as it makes changes you cannot control or nicely predict. Once I got custom profiles for the papers I use I have no trouble getting perfectly neutral B&W results every bit as good as ABW in outright quality and a lot more predictable (not just in tone, but also contrast). If I want to add tone, I do so in LR and have infinitely more control than in ABW mode. This means I can produce far better prints than I could in ABW.

Personally, I think ABW is a neat short cut for people who do not understand B&W well, but no substitute whatsoever for doing things yourself.
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Using the 3880 for several years now, printing mainly A2 monchrome; I'd make these points:

• if printing from an RGB file (even of toned B/W), vital to use the icc colour profile of the specific paper

• BUT this can lead to strong unpredictable apparent colour shifts viewing prints in different lighting

• this colour shift is much less in ABW mode - certain fine toning and print density adjustments can still be made to - for example - emulate the effect of Record Rapid + slight Selenium toning for enhanced DMax on a fine art gloss or lustre fiber paper; save your perfect settings in the print dialogue

• in theory - print images output from Lightroom (or whatever raw converter) at 360 dpi - as this corresponds to the 720/1440 dpi native resolution of the printer
 
Quadtone RIP. Epsons Black & White mode works beautifully if you use an Epson paper, but QTR gives more control and most QTR paper profiles include profiles for neutal, cooltone, warmtone and Sepia that look nearly identical to the color of silver-based black & white papers.

Here's my procedure for black and white prints from Quadtone RIP, which I demonstrated with an older Epson model, but it should work identically for yours, so long as you use the profiles that come with QTR for your printer.
 
Godfrey said:
Fundamentally makes no difference in terms of 'better' or 'worse'. They're two different printing workflows: learn whichever one appeals to you. Once you become expert in it, you'll get the same result as if you became expert in the other.
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I agrree 100%. Actually I used to be able to make equivalent prints with a Epson 1280 but it was nowhere as simple.
 
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