Pro says "I never heard of that before..."

Jim, that's funny, my friend Yuri from Kazakhstan used to use a fed, and he is only a bit older...30. And I had a friend in Vladivostok who was a photojournalist, and he always used to use a Kiev...but he was in his 40s. He did not think too highly of it though. He was fascinated with the Canon S30 that I had at the time. Oh how the tables have turned! The S30 got me interested in photography, and then I stopped using it when my dad gave me his Canon FD setup. That was it. Seeing what film and an L lens could do compared to 3.3 megapixel point and shoot got me hooked on photography.
 
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And for what it's worth, I had no idea what a Rolleiflex was until two or three years ago...
 
ywenz said:
she might not know anything about a rolliflex, it doesn't mean she wasn't a good photographer. let's cut back on the elitism here okay?


When they don't know about gear doesn't worry me at all... When they take $6000 of dad and moms money into a pro shop and let the salemen pick their kit that makes them a professional photographer does a little but. What is really tiresome is when I work with photographers from my generation (I'm 22) and they cannot tell me the name of one photographer that they admire...
 
Chaser said:
When they don't know about gear doesn't worry me at all... When they take $6000 of dad and moms money into a pro shop and let the salemen pick their kit that makes them a professional photographer does a little but. What is really tiresome is when I work with photographers from my generation (I'm 22) and they cannot tell me the name of one photographer that they admire...

Again, no one here is really talking about anything that actually matters. How is the photographic skill of said photographer? Why does anyone need to be well versed in the works of a famous sketch artist in order to draw well?
 
ywenz said:
Again, no one here is really talking about anything that actually matters. How is the photographic skill of said photographer? Why does anyone need to be well versed in the works of a famous sketch artist in order to draw well?

I actually agree with Chaser here. The thing is, that they don't draw well!
 
ywenz said:
Again, no one here is really talking about anything that actually matters. How is the photographic skill of said photographer? Why does anyone need to be well versed in the works of a famous sketch artist in order to draw well?


I agree that we're not talking about anything that "actually" matters in any definite terms. I myself am very interested in photography, and while there is no prerequisite that states that one needs to be schooled in photography to be capable at making a photograph that can be considered made well, I find that it helps. I also get perturbed by people who will blindly dedicate a portion of their lives to something without taking the time to learn about it... I should of kept my mouth shut because arguing on the internet is perhaps the most futile endeavor that i could choose to spend my time on, it tends to become contention for the sake of contention. So for simplicity I will just say that i perfer to read books by authors who read, i perfer to look at photos by photographers who have at least a passing interest in photography as a whole...etc.

I apologise for having hijackedthe thread, digression works in conversation better than in writing.
 
This afternoon, on my list of things to photograph for the City of Bisbee, was an odd looking ex-grocery store, now privately owned, painted gray, and festooned with found objects, all painted red.

Different strokes....

As I arrived with my Bessa R and 35/2.5, there, standing exactly where I planned to make the shot was a tall elderly man, wearing a huge straw hat, and peering through the ground glass of a tripod-mounted Toyo 4X5 view camera. He had driven down some 250 miles from Phoenix to photograph the building. We chatted. He noticed my camera.

Is that one of those rangefinder cameras? Yes, I said. I've never understood why people use them, he said. What's wrong with SLR's?

Well, nothing's wrong with SLR's. (I've got some). I thought for a moment. Let's say
you're looking through your SLR, getting ready to photograph that building across the street. You're concentrating intently on focusing. You won't see the pretty girl walking and about to walk right in front of the building as you make the shot. Ruined shot, unless you feel the pretty girl makes the shot.

With a rangefinder, you see beyond the framelines. You can see her coming.
What about focusing? he asked. (his vision is not what it was, and he has to wear special glasses to focus on the groundglass).

Focusing is easy, I said, simply move the focusing lever until the two houses become one. That's it. At this point I handed him the Bessa R.

He looked through it for at least thirty seconds, saying nothing.
Use the focusing lever, I said, then lightly touch the shutter release to activate the meter.

After a time he said, My God. Everything's so clear. It's so easy to focus. My God. Now I understand, he said.

He wanted to know where he could get one. I told him about Gandy's site.

Ironically, here was a man who had been taking photographs most of his life, and he apparently had never looked through an RF camera.

Ted
 
tedwhite said:
After a time he said, My God. Everything's so clear. It's so easy to focus. My God. Now I understand, he said.

He wanted to know where he could get one. I told him about Gandy's site.

Ironically, here was a man who had been taking photographs most of his life, and he apparently had never looked through an RF camera.

Ted

That's how I felt. I never meant to get into rangefiners. I just borrowed a friends camera when I left mine at home. Then came the Kiev, now the Bessa r... and I wonder whats next.
 
Hi, Bob:

Never thought of myself as a missionary. Salesman, perhaps? As I think of the two callings, what's the difference, really?

Ted

PS: Getting time to change the avatar. Would you mind doing it again? (Bob's my avatar mechanic. I'm too old for boolian algebra).
 
What's next, AOI Photo?

The Dark Side, that's what's next. Unless, of course, you realize that your Bessa R is a poor person's Leica M7, and that the Voigtlander lenses are painfully sharp. In which case, who needs a Leica? Unless one has sufficient discretionary income, then it's a different scenario.

I drive a VW Passat. If I came into a bunch of money, would I run out and buy a Porsche? As a young man, Oh, yeah. Now, a bit longer in the tooth, the first question I'd ask is this: What's wrong with the car I've got?

The honest answer? Nothing. It's a fine car, good looking, fast, comfortable. So I don't buy the Porsche, still have the discretionary income, I can do something else with it. In the case of the Bessa R, I'd buy a lens in a different focal length. Maybe, dare I say it? A Leica lens in M39. Now there's a compromise.

Ted
 
tedwhite said:
He looked through it for at least thirty seconds, saying nothing.
Use the focusing lever, I said, then lightly touch the shutter release to activate the meter.

After a time he said, My God. Everything's so clear. It's so easy to focus. My God. Now I understand, he said.

C'mom Ted, you didn't fall for that did you? The guy's probably still wondering how you got a camera with only one lens to take stereoscopic pictures. 😉
 
tedwhite said:
PS: Getting time to change the avatar. Would you mind doing it again? (Bob's my avatar mechanic. I'm too old for boolian algebra).
Sure bring it on 🙂

But, if I show up in Brisbee you have to show me around for half a day. 😉

Kidding, send it along when you have a chance.
 
Brisbee? Where's that? God, I forgot. You live in San Diego!

Spending too much time in South Mission Beach, tossing FRISBEES! That's it.

Actually, I went to San Diego State University, lived in South Mission Beach. God, life was tough back then, having to cope with all those single airline stewardesses and trying to study at the same time

Ted.
 
If someone gave me a porsche, I would sell it and keep my passat wagon...or maybe upgrade to a w8...
 
ywenz said:
Again, no one here is really talking about anything that actually matters. How is the photographic skill of said photographer? Why does anyone need to be well versed in the works of a famous sketch artist in order to draw well?

geez, lighten up. you can let the acid dribble when someone makes a real insult. if the photographer was anywhere near normal, his or her photos suck. i love the romance of the naive, innocent, and virginal as much as anyone else, but it doesn't mean they have talent.
 
tedwhite said:
What's next, AOI Photo?

A Leica lens in M39. Now there's a compromise.

Ted

Already on the way! Of course its the dirt cheap 90 f4 Elmar uncoated version, but still 🙂

Actually I'm thnking next (which is a long time for me now that I've gone from being a working pro to an unemplyed student) will probably be a cannon 7 so I can use a 135mm again... but that's a ways down the road.

I see what you mean about the cars. I keep thinking that if I ever had enough for a Leica m6/m7 and a set of lenses... I'd buy a bunch of LTM lenses, and save the rest.
 
ghost said:
geez, lighten up. you can let the acid dribble when someone makes a real insult. if the photographer was anywhere near normal, his or her photos suck. i love the romance of the naive, innocent, and virginal as much as anyone else, but it doesn't mean they have talent.

elitism and having an eye for talent are two different things.
 
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