RJBender
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Kodak Vollenda?
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R.J.
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Kodak Vollenda?
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R.J.
ghost
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ywenz said:
what's your point? nobody said they were connected. if anyone's being elitist, it's you. 🙄
ywenz
Veteran
ghost said:
what the hell are you talking about guy? I'm standing up for the photographers that are being labeled as an amature because they don't know anything about the status quo brands+models that are discussed in this forum on a daily basis. Please read all the replies before commenting.
ghost
Well-known
ywenz said:
care to explain the rationale behind that statement?
maybe you should read the thread. nobody said they were bad photographers for being ignorant of esoteric cameras. are we to be condemned for spreading the word about them?
back alley
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RJBender
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Kragmeister said:
They didn't ask what ASA film you were using the night you shot without a flash??
R.J.
ghost
Well-known
ok, joe. i'll stop fussing in here. but i got my eye on you, ywenz. 😛
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RML
Guest
Ywenz, for once I agree with you. But I also like the "horror" stories. 🙂
Last night I went to a photography workshop where a semi-pro lectured us. He was really good at teaching us, though hardly anyone got it.
Many didn't know squat about composition and were already amazed that you can put your subject off-centre.
Others were a bit disappointed that he didn't talk about apertures and such.
But his nuggets for us were how he connected with people, how he got a rapport with his subjects without entering in a "long-term relation", how to easily overcome your shyness, etc.
Then he kicked us out to do a short assignment in the building. Of course, I got asked by security why in all that is holy I was shooting photos. It was a cool experience for me. Normally I blow up. This time I was relaxed, built that rapport, stayed calm, and in the end walked away with at least a small victory. I was allowed to photograph but only the walls and the ceiling; no staff or personel, no security, no desks, no entrances, etc. We went outside right after that was settled. 😛
At that workshop, most had digital p&s cameras, some had big dSLRs, a few even had film SLRs. None knew squat about rangefinders, let alone a digital one, though one or two ventured the R-D1 looked old and perhaps like a Leica.
BTW, I saw a tourist yesterday walking around with a small, black Nikon SLR. I know nothing about Nikon's models but it looked nice.
Last night I went to a photography workshop where a semi-pro lectured us. He was really good at teaching us, though hardly anyone got it.
Many didn't know squat about composition and were already amazed that you can put your subject off-centre.
Others were a bit disappointed that he didn't talk about apertures and such.
But his nuggets for us were how he connected with people, how he got a rapport with his subjects without entering in a "long-term relation", how to easily overcome your shyness, etc.
Then he kicked us out to do a short assignment in the building. Of course, I got asked by security why in all that is holy I was shooting photos. It was a cool experience for me. Normally I blow up. This time I was relaxed, built that rapport, stayed calm, and in the end walked away with at least a small victory. I was allowed to photograph but only the walls and the ceiling; no staff or personel, no security, no desks, no entrances, etc. We went outside right after that was settled. 😛
At that workshop, most had digital p&s cameras, some had big dSLRs, a few even had film SLRs. None knew squat about rangefinders, let alone a digital one, though one or two ventured the R-D1 looked old and perhaps like a Leica.
BTW, I saw a tourist yesterday walking around with a small, black Nikon SLR. I know nothing about Nikon's models but it looked nice.
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
Chaser said:
True. Even if they don't "admire", they should know some.
In general, there are no well-known photographers as there are well-known painters, sculptors, not to speak about musicians. Does this make photography a less widely accepted art?
Most people do consider photography on a different level than painting, sculpting. Probably due to the facxt that everyone makes photographs once in a while, so it can't be that serious.
When I talked to people born and raised in Brasso about Brassai, they had no idea about him. But they can name seventy italian painters, six hundred american musicians, of course.
The only exception are the photographers who died recently or had some other reason to be mentioned on popular tv channels.
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StuartR
Guest
Well, keep in mind we have had thousands of years of painters and about 170 of photographers...not that it is an excuse...
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RML
Guest
StuartR said:
We've only had rock music for 50 odd years. Still, most people can name the dinosaurs of rock in a flash. Rolling Stones, anyone? 🙂 And mobiles phones (I mean the pocketable type, not the ones where you needed a car to make it mobile) have been around for hardly more than a decade. Yet, every kid can tell you at leat 10 brands and inform you on the benfits of nearly every type of those brands. When I tell I still use my trusty 3310, they fall flat on their backs. A 3310 makes me adinosaur in their eyes. 😀
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
heh, i have a Sony from the pre-Ericsson era. It has a monochrome display with green backlight 😀 and polyphonic ringtones, yay!
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RML
Guest
Pherdinand said:
Polyphonic?! What new fangled thing is that? Is that what makes that noise nowadays, hearing a bl88dy radio station instead of a phone ringing?
Kragmeister
Greg Urban
Hey R.J.
They didn't ask what ASA film you were using the night you shot without a flash??
No, but at the rehearsal and the wedding dinner I had some conversation with a really nice older couple from Europe by way of central New Jersey. 🙂 The fellow commented about not having seen someone using a light meter in years. At the dinner we were comparing gear. He had used film cameras in the past but was using a Sony digicam. While I had made anti-digital statements (my wife was using her new Canon digital Rebel with zoom) I did compliment his choice in camera as it had an f2.8 Carl Zeiss (branded) lens. He pointed out that the lens was the reason he bought it, fast enough to get by without flash.
Last night, my digital wife 😉 was getting a lesson on film developing. I shot some HP5 that came out of the freezer and developed it in Rodinal. First time I developed film in over 10 years. Ahh....I love the smell of fixer in the evening....of course I couldn't persuade her to dab some behind her ears. 😉
Later,
Greg
They didn't ask what ASA film you were using the night you shot without a flash??
No, but at the rehearsal and the wedding dinner I had some conversation with a really nice older couple from Europe by way of central New Jersey. 🙂 The fellow commented about not having seen someone using a light meter in years. At the dinner we were comparing gear. He had used film cameras in the past but was using a Sony digicam. While I had made anti-digital statements (my wife was using her new Canon digital Rebel with zoom) I did compliment his choice in camera as it had an f2.8 Carl Zeiss (branded) lens. He pointed out that the lens was the reason he bought it, fast enough to get by without flash.
Last night, my digital wife 😉 was getting a lesson on film developing. I shot some HP5 that came out of the freezer and developed it in Rodinal. First time I developed film in over 10 years. Ahh....I love the smell of fixer in the evening....of course I couldn't persuade her to dab some behind her ears. 😉
Later,
Greg
scottgee1
RF renegade
Priorities!
Priorities!
Are you kidding?
I'd sell the Porsche, take the proceeds, add some of my own cash and buy an M7 and a couple Leica lenses!
Where are your priorities, man? 😉
ScottGee1
Priorities!
StuartR said:
Are you kidding?
I'd sell the Porsche, take the proceeds, add some of my own cash and buy an M7 and a couple Leica lenses!
Where are your priorities, man? 😉
ScottGee1
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wtl
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Kragmeister said:
ya, ya, i hear you. where are the pictures? or better, in comparison with your wife's digital snaps.
if you mean the images posted on your website...well, i don't think your rolleiflex made any difference at all.
maybe first you should give yourself a lesson before your wife, seriously.
but then again, i might be completely wrong.
ywenz - right on. for once.
Kragmeister
Greg Urban
Hey Ywenz,
ya, ya, i hear you. where are the pictures? or better, in comparison with your wife's digital snaps.
if you mean the images posted on your website...well, i don't think your rolleiflex made any difference at all.
maybe first you should give yourself a lesson before your wife, seriously.
but then again, i might be completely wrong.
OK, OK, I'm not a professional and don't make that claim. I have to develop the rest of the shots from the wedding and scan 'em.
Anyway, what is wrong with the photos on my site? Seriously, I would love some helpful criticism.
My stuff was better in years past, I think because I was "looser" and more creative. After I picked up a camera again in '03 I basically started documenting what I see.
Back "in the day" there was a pretty vibrant photo community in my area but folks have either died or otherwise moved on so there isn't even a local camera club. This is why I throw my stuff up on the web, hoping that someone will see the stuff and provide feedback.
Later,
Greg
ya, ya, i hear you. where are the pictures? or better, in comparison with your wife's digital snaps.
if you mean the images posted on your website...well, i don't think your rolleiflex made any difference at all.
maybe first you should give yourself a lesson before your wife, seriously.
but then again, i might be completely wrong.
OK, OK, I'm not a professional and don't make that claim. I have to develop the rest of the shots from the wedding and scan 'em.
Anyway, what is wrong with the photos on my site? Seriously, I would love some helpful criticism.
My stuff was better in years past, I think because I was "looser" and more creative. After I picked up a camera again in '03 I basically started documenting what I see.
Back "in the day" there was a pretty vibrant photo community in my area but folks have either died or otherwise moved on so there isn't even a local camera club. This is why I throw my stuff up on the web, hoping that someone will see the stuff and provide feedback.
Later,
Greg
ywenz
Veteran
don't confuse me with wtl ...
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wtl
Guest
Kragmeister said:
Seriously?
Well, for a starter, your featured photo is flat with terrible light, unfocused subject, messy and uninteresting framing, lake of tonality in print/webposting...just to name a few. I am all ear to find out why you take the shot and what you tried to say to the viewer, if anything, through this photo?
No, this is not documentary. It is nothing but a snap of the existing objects in front of your lens.
I am no teacher so I don't know how to put words nicely and yet clearly. But I suggest you go to your library and check out some books to see what other masters do and how they do it in framing, print quality, use of light, etc., if you are serious about photography.
The most important thing has always been about learning to see. the equipment is and should really be on the bottom of the list (for shooters).
Kragmeister said:
That's a terrible thing to happen. Maybe if you stop teaching your wife with what you know, you will have time to listen and learn with what you don't know.
But i am not saying anything new. Just simply answering your questions/request.
f/stopblues
photo loner
Mary says...
"A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down."
In otherwords, a little tact goes a long way.. geesh..
"A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down."
In otherwords, a little tact goes a long way.. geesh..
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