dadsm3
Well-known
One mm thicker and 2mm taller? O, the INFAMY!! Too big, can't use it....
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
The mirror slap is the noisiest part, and even for that, it's a very well-dampened one; it's one of the smoothest-sounding SLRs I own (the R8).jaapv said:
I like Leica stuff, but I'm not religious about it. I certainly cringe whenever I read most things from Mr. Puts, on many levels. His analogies and aliterisms now are rather tired.
Anyway, I'm with those calls to wait for the frig M8 to come out.
I'd also love to see a full-frame Pentax dSLR. Those Takumar lenses... mmmm-mmm! Me like.
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
dadsm3 said:
They dared do that?!? What else are they going to change? Are they going to be adding a digital sensor in it? Oh the INFAMY!!Oh, wait...
Peter Klein
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Don't judge Erwin too harshly. He is Dutch, and English is a second or third language for him. I can't vouch for his assessment of the optical stratosphere of lens performance, as I don't shoot that way. But I can tell you that after several careful readings of his descriptions of lenses I've tried, I find they match my experience. I based several of my lens choices on his reviews, and I've never been sorry.
--Peter
--Peter
dadsm3
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Surprising it's actually getting bigger though....you mean a bunch of chips and electronics takes up more space than metal gears and springs designed 55 years ago?
DougK
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That would be a fun camera system, no doubt.Trius said:
Mark Norton
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Let me ask you this. Which do your prefer, Erwin's verbose turgid ramblings or Sean Reid's incisive opinions of comparative products with pictures to back up what he says? Concise is not a word in Erwin's dictionary.
Dear old Erwin likes to take the contrary view to get noticed. It's amusing at first to witness his changing opinions but after a while it gets tedious.
Dear old Erwin likes to take the contrary view to get noticed. It's amusing at first to witness his changing opinions but after a while it gets tedious.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
I find it interesting that even an embedded journalist like Erwin Puts has clearly not handled the M8 yet.
Dougg
Seasoned Member
Why must we choose one or the other? I think they're both interesting and educational.Mark Norton said:
phototone
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The M8 is probably thicker to accomodate the LCD screen all digital cameras have to review images and view histograms on. Also, possibly to accomodate a battery large enough to give decent amount of shots.
Bob Ross
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As I recall Erwin was one of the field testers for the M7 and I had been taking due note of an absence of any M8 articles from him. So, when this bit came out, I was looking for some hints that he has had the camera in some form. So, is the article a weasel worded smoke screen? Is he biting his journalistic tongue? I don't know, but he does seem to have a good mental image of what it will be.jaapv said:
Bob Ross
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There is a good chance that you will keep your ten bucks, since rumors have it that there will be no AA filter, as done with the DMR.ghost said:
J. Borger
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jaapv said:
He sold a lot of his Leica lenses a couple of months ago at Marktplaats.nl (All the ASPH and APOS he raved about in his reviews) ......... he is on Canons pay list now
Mark Norton
Well-known
dadsm3 said:
May be so, but then a film M camera with its own integrated development tank and developer, rinse and fix tanks wouldn't exactly be small, either.
anselwannab
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RF Niche
RF Niche
I think the niche for d-RFs is size and compactness and the potential for sensor specialization.
DSLRs have gotten so big, I find them cumbersome to carry unless I'm out "to take pictures". RF definately win in the transport category.
I agree that the MP race is over. My 20D makes great 13x19 prints. Where I see a niche for dRFs is in dynamic range. Make it FF and with greater dynamic range in about 12MP and I think you're onto something.
RF Niche
I think the niche for d-RFs is size and compactness and the potential for sensor specialization.
DSLRs have gotten so big, I find them cumbersome to carry unless I'm out "to take pictures". RF definately win in the transport category.
I agree that the MP race is over. My 20D makes great 13x19 prints. Where I see a niche for dRFs is in dynamic range. Make it FF and with greater dynamic range in about 12MP and I think you're onto something.
AusDLK
Famous Photographer
Leitz, RIP
Leitz, RIP
>we let Leitz actually SHIP the M-freakin-
Um, it hasn't been Leitz for a long, long time...
Are we just having fun or did someone miss the memo?
Dave.
Leitz, RIP
>we let Leitz actually SHIP the M-freakin-
Um, it hasn't been Leitz for a long, long time...
Are we just having fun or did someone miss the memo?
Dave.
jonasv
has no mustache
The amount of megapixels? That is the stupidest thing I've heard all day (okay, it's still early).
Nikon D200 = 10 MP
Sony Alpha = 10 MP
Nikon D2X(s) = 12 MP
Canon 5D = 12 MP
Canon 1Ds MII = 16 MP
etc etc, and except the last one, all of these are noticeably cheaper (most notably the Alpha under $1000 and the D200 around $1600). How on earth does the amount of megapixels set this camera apart?
I'm sure the M8 isn't meant as an amateur camera, so the conclusion is pretty simple: compared to other professional cameras (D2x, 1Ds MII), it has LESS megapixels, not more. I think megapixels are the least important thing about the camera, but making statements like Puts does is ridiculous. So much understanding about technology, so little about photography...
Wimpler
Established
I'm no expert, but in my opinion the leica is now an amateur camera, making a digital version won't change that. How many professionals shoot with a rangefinder, or will shoot with a rangefinder? Not many, they like their ultra large zooms more I guess I strongly doubt 35mm is still used at all by professionals.
So for an amateur camera it seems like the ammount of megapixels is pretty much what could be expected from a new quality product.
I strongly doubt 35mm is still used at all by professionals.So for an amateur camera it seems like the ammount of megapixels is pretty much what could be expected from a new quality product.
rvaubel
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jvx said:
10 MP is enough for to equal the 12 MP of the Canon 5D as far as resolution goes. The absence of an AA filter, less aggressive noise reduction, and Leica(and others) prime glass, can compensate for a fewer pixels. In my tests of the Epson RD-1 @6.1MP vs the Canon 20D @ 8.3MP, I found them to be pretty equalvilant, with respects to resolution. I'd have to give the nod to the Canon regarding noise, but I preferred working with the Epson's RAW files as they are relatively unsullied with a lot of in camera processing.
Basically what I'm saying is that the advantages that the M8 will have, can overcome most, if not all of the of the supposed advantages had by a slightlly higher MP camera. This is not to mention a, hopefully greater dynamic range and bit depth.
I woudn't be suprised if the 12 and 16MP cameras produce a better image straight from the camera. For professional use this is important. Still, the Leica should also produce great pictures with little post processing.
And remember, this is all from a camera/lens setup about 1/2 the size of the DSLR
Rex
ghost
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wasn't he comparing it to the r-d1?