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For me it's just the other way round. I can't hold the D700 comfortably but my 5D.1 fits perfectly in my hand.
BillBingham2
Registered User
D700. I'm not impressed with Sony's support of professional grade cameras as what many have experienced with thier computer line.
The D700 has a lot of world class glass (old and new) that work fine on it. From a review I read last night (some storm chaser linked from Nikonrumors.com) it's very well sealed and holds up to abuse.
Another hands down vote for the D700.
I wish I could afford one.
B2 (;->
The D700 has a lot of world class glass (old and new) that work fine on it. From a review I read last night (some storm chaser linked from Nikonrumors.com) it's very well sealed and holds up to abuse.
Another hands down vote for the D700.
I wish I could afford one.
B2 (;->
shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
Olympus E-3 has more wold class lenses (old and new) that will not only works find with it, but also receive the benefit of in-body IS.
As for taking abuse, here's a frosty E-3 video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A15MgHHS_M8
Nikonians joke about taking D700 into shower, E-3 can actually do it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oDvgDDmSDE
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Merkin
For the Weekend
while it is true that the olympus has in-body IS where nikon uses lens based IS, the claim that the 4/3 system has more old and new world class lenses that work with it is sketchy at best. perhaps you are confusing the 4/3 system with the micro 4/3 system, which allows you to use pretty much anything with an adapter? because of the mirror box, the E-3 doesn't allow as many choices as the various m4/3 cameras. The four thirds system has been around for less than a decade, and even though a number of manufacturers make lenses for this mount, they don't stack up to the lens choice available for nikons.
the nikon works with almost every f mount lens ever made, for the last fifty years (as long as the oldest ones have been ai converted, which many of them have), with the exception of a few extreme wide angle lenses that require full time mirror lock-up.
giellaleafapmu
Well-known
Well,
we are here reading the thread and...thanks to all for the opinions. Most of you thinks as me (now speaking in first person as GLF) that a FF is better than a small camera.
The only new thing I red was about "Nikon refurbished camera". Does such a thing exists? I mean the original idea of buying new was to minimize risks doesn't getting to "refurbished" cameras goes exactly against that? I mean, it is clear that if one has money for a D700 and a 24-70 f2.8 that IS a better combination but it gets well above the budged.
GLF
we are here reading the thread and...thanks to all for the opinions. Most of you thinks as me (now speaking in first person as GLF) that a FF is better than a small camera.
The only new thing I red was about "Nikon refurbished camera". Does such a thing exists? I mean the original idea of buying new was to minimize risks doesn't getting to "refurbished" cameras goes exactly against that? I mean, it is clear that if one has money for a D700 and a 24-70 f2.8 that IS a better combination but it gets well above the budged.
GLF
Merkin
For the Weekend
you can buy factory refurbished d700s from adorama and b&h, and probably a number of other places as well. they typically come with a 90 day factory warranty, and you can purchase a 2 or 3 year warranty for an extra hundred bucks.
shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
Can you use a Leica Summilux-R 35/1.4 on D700?
Can you use a Minolta 58/1.2 on D700?
Can you use an OM Zuiko 100/2 on D700?
Can you use a Canon 55/1.2 S.S.C Asph on D700?
Can you use a Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 75/1.8 M42 on D700?
Can you use a Paris Angenieux 90/1.8 with Exakta mount on D700?
Can you use a Konica Hexanon UC 28/1.8 AR on D700?
Can you use a SCM Takumar 85/1.8 on D700?
... I can go on.
Perhaps you're confusing me with someone who does not appreciate Nikon glasses and just out to bash them. FYI, I like them too.
And if you search on my posts around here, you'll find out pretty soon if I am familiar with the differences between m4/3rd and its SLR version
gavinlg
Veteran
Olympus make good stuff, especially their lenses. The e-3 I feel isn't as good as the e-30, and rumor has it that they will announce the next model to the e-3 this year. Maybe tell your friend to wait.
The d700 is amazing, but I don't like nikkor glass that much unless it's the top of the line stuff like the 24-70mm f2.8. Their middle tier stuff is average (my opinion).
The d700 is amazing, but I don't like nikkor glass that much unless it's the top of the line stuff like the 24-70mm f2.8. Their middle tier stuff is average (my opinion).
gavinlg
Veteran
To add to that, here's what I'd do in that situation:
If I could afford a 14-35mm f2 with the e-3, I'd go that route. That lens is just astonishing, and is basically the equivalent of having f2 prime lenses from 28-70mm. Yes it's that good.
The 12-60mm f2.8-4 is really a very very good lens, but just too slow for my liking (mainly taking into consideration 4/3rds has half the DOF effective compared to full frame DSLRs.)
Otherwise, the d700 with a used 28-70mm f2.8 would be pretty decent.
If I could afford a 14-35mm f2 with the e-3, I'd go that route. That lens is just astonishing, and is basically the equivalent of having f2 prime lenses from 28-70mm. Yes it's that good.
The 12-60mm f2.8-4 is really a very very good lens, but just too slow for my liking (mainly taking into consideration 4/3rds has half the DOF effective compared to full frame DSLRs.)
Otherwise, the d700 with a used 28-70mm f2.8 would be pretty decent.
Merkin
For the Weekend
Can you use a Leica Summilux-R 35/1.4 on D700?
Can you use a Minolta 58/1.2 on D700?
Can you use an OM Zuiko 100/2 on D700?
Can you use a Canon 55/1.2 S.S.C Asph on D700?
Can you use a Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 75/1.8 M42 on D700?
Can you use a Paris Angenieux 90/1.8 with Exakta mount on D700?
Can you use a Konica Hexanon UC 28/1.8 AR on D700?
Can you use a SCM Takumar 85/1.8 on D700?
... I can go on.
Perhaps you're confusing me with someone who does not appreciate Nikon glasses and just out to bash them. FYI, I like them too.
And if you search on my posts around here, you'll find out pretty soon if I am familiar with the differences between m4/3rd and its SLR version
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sure, many of the adapters will require a glass element, which makes them less than ideal, but a 2x crop factor (along with some loss of resolution from the original film system) sucks just as much. you can use pretty much anything on pretty much anything, the question is how much you are willing to sacrifice to do so. if you used all of those lenses on your 4/3 camera, you would certainly win the prize for having the most ecclectic selection of fast portrait lenses that are aggravating to use, which would win you the plaudits of plenty of people on the internet, but it would probably suck to try and use that "system," unless you are either a masochist or you do not care about speed of operation. I admit that i was unaware of a couple of those adapters for 4/3, i was mainly aware of the OM and Exacta mount ones, but it still doesnt make using a 67mm f1.3 berkon or whatever practical or particularly useful. as to using lenses on a camera that actually work properly, my original point stands.
gavinlg
Veteran
Yes, but all those lenses work on the 4/3 system without needing glass adapters. Just a simple adapter ring is fine. The nikon F system isn't great for adapting stuff...
Merkin
For the Weekend
you are right, it isn't great for adapting stuff. it does a 100 percent better job at maintaining proper focal length, though. at some point, if you base your camera decision on the number of different lens mounts you can adapt to work, you have to ask yourself if you are purchasing a tool or a toy.
gavinlg
Veteran
To be honest, the olympus zuikos are so good I wouldn't bother adapting stuff in the first place. Especially if you can afford the 14-35mm f2.
jky
Well-known
D700... I think it is the best all-around camera out there. Personal opinion of course...
pvdhaar
Peter
If that were true, I'd already have had one..
The D700 is a very tempting proposition in terms of restoring the field of view of a couple of very fine F-mount lenses I have, but as it stands, it's too big and far too heavy to be a carry around camera for me.. For the time being, I'm winging it with DX dslrs, and use an old F75 if I want to use lenses at their proper FOV..
stupid leica
i don't shoot rf
the E3, in comparison to the D700, is a horrible camera.
shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
Merkin
For the Weekend
Wow, you're of a set mind, aren't you?
Think as you wish, and have a good light.
I simply do not think that the ability to kludge some old lens you picked up at a yard sale on to a new, expensive camera a particularly valid reason to purchase that new, expensive camera, especially when that camera basically just has a glorified point-and-shoot sensor. Perhaps that does make me "of a set mind," but i would rather be 'of a set mind' and realistic about the usage of my tools than to be 'of an (rather silly) open mind' and recommend a 1000 dollar camera to someone on the basis of just using it as a toy or as a justification of your GAS habit.
stupid leica
i don't shoot rf
Merkin, i would like to buy you a beer and sit and chat about this stuff. This is EXACTLY the reason i sold my canon system and bought a D700. I wanted to use great Nikon lenses on a great camera, and i have been very VERY happy with it.
Adapting lenses is a means to an end, and you have to ask yourself why you are even taking pictures, if that is what you intend to do.
Adapting lenses is a means to an end, and you have to ask yourself why you are even taking pictures, if that is what you intend to do.
sojournerphoto
Veteran
It will be interesting to see how good the high iso performance of the 7D is. It doesn't really appeal to me, but when the 50D was launched the fanfare suggested that it would outperform the old hack 5D, but the sample pictures were les convincing in my view. Does this tally with your experience?
I have to say that the 5D looks outstanding value these days - available at a reasonable cost with 5,000 to 150,000 actuations.
For the original poster it depends on what your friend wants and does. If it's just a business decision and he can live with something not the odlest a 5D and 24-105L or 28-70 2.8L will deliver great image quality and leave plenty of change ofr a couple of primes. I like the 50 1.4 as a good start.
Mike