willie_901
Veteran
Your observation regarding lens compatibility dominates the M9's value proposition.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Not really. It is five years old Canon 6D, but in sexier and RF package
Fraser
Well-known
Not really. It is five years old Canon 6D, but in sexier and RF package
What not even a 6dmk2
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Exactly. But does it really matter?What not even a 6dmk2
I googled "wedding photography with M9". Where are people who did it in 2010 and later, then camera wasn't in 3K$ price range.
All of those "it is ten years old technology" and "it is not for pro" arguments here are not really relevant to M9. Not all photographers are needed gun machine, high ISO and tablet sized screen thing to instantly share their highly paid talent achievements.
I have seen M8, M9 for sale with next to none shutter use. Because the reality is - M9 (or any Leica) is camera which is just pleasure to own. None of the other cameras gives this pleasure.
And brushing Leica cameras owners are dentist is total nonsense. 3K$ is what regular people spend on vacation or hobbies like music, fishing, antique cars and so on. Harley Davidson or Suzuki costs ten times more, could not be in use half of the year, insurance is next to one thousand per season where I'm, because it is risky not by imagination, but by statistics.
M9 could be used all year around and no insurance is totally legal.
"I'm a truck driver. This convertible, doesn't have sleep-in cabin, doesn't have sixteen gears and can't tow, take ten tons load" nonsense is going on here...
james.liam
Well-known
The price of an M9 with a new sensor has leveled off at about US$3-3.5k. I've seen an M9P for closer to $4k.
As an owner of an MM v.1 with a new sensor, the issues raised above about the non-existent buffer, slow operation time, noise are real. The M9 does have a unique 'look' that with some effort can (nearly) be replicated in post out of an M240/M10. If you don't ever think you'll need more than 800 ISO and are ok with the slow operation speed, go for it. But the M262, more akin to an M9 in terms of functionality, is the superior camera for marginally more money. To me, the MM v.1 is unique enough to hold on to; the M9, not so much.
Personally, I'd save my shekels for an M10.
As an owner of an MM v.1 with a new sensor, the issues raised above about the non-existent buffer, slow operation time, noise are real. The M9 does have a unique 'look' that with some effort can (nearly) be replicated in post out of an M240/M10. If you don't ever think you'll need more than 800 ISO and are ok with the slow operation speed, go for it. But the M262, more akin to an M9 in terms of functionality, is the superior camera for marginally more money. To me, the MM v.1 is unique enough to hold on to; the M9, not so much.
Personally, I'd save my shekels for an M10.
willie_901
Veteran
Not really. It is five years old Canon 6D, but in sexier and RF package
You are mistaken. However, "sexier and RF package" is correct.
Data for input-referred read noise levels vs ISO.
Data for dynamic range vs ISO.
Data for ISO invariance.
These data are based on statistical analyses of unrendered raw files
David Hughes
David Hughes
Try as I may I can't see anything wrong with this photo, which is a crop (originally 768 x 1024 from memory) from the centre of a much larger one; obviously.
And this is what I took it with:-
Regards, David
And this is what I took it with:-
Regards, David
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
M8 ISO2500.
M9 ISO2500.
M9 ISO2500.
I think, many people don't know what taking of exposure technically is.
Ronald M
Veteran
Buy a new one for 6800 or used for half that with new sensor.
My experience with used M cameras is don`t. If you are new to Leica you do not know what to look for and the inevitable repairs are costly. No way to check electronics. They either work or not and future is not predictable. Just lost a mother board on a Macbook air. $500 repair. I will replace it, not repair.
Leica in my opinion is not for people on the edge financially. Buy a D750 Nikon, cheap, now on sale, and buy prime lenses or pro zooms. There is little difference in picture quality. Nikon just put a new shutter in mine as good will ( i.e. free) although it had not failed. There was just a general recall.
Leica service is very slow and poor quality. I just keep backup cameras.
Leica is still living on the stellar reputation from 1960 when German craftsmanship was top of the line. Then came Nikon F.
Buy a M8 or 8.2 . 10 MP is plenty. I use mine all the time along with a D3. M8 & 9 are nice if you like Leica, but expensive toys like sports cars.
My experience with used M cameras is don`t. If you are new to Leica you do not know what to look for and the inevitable repairs are costly. No way to check electronics. They either work or not and future is not predictable. Just lost a mother board on a Macbook air. $500 repair. I will replace it, not repair.
Leica in my opinion is not for people on the edge financially. Buy a D750 Nikon, cheap, now on sale, and buy prime lenses or pro zooms. There is little difference in picture quality. Nikon just put a new shutter in mine as good will ( i.e. free) although it had not failed. There was just a general recall.
Leica service is very slow and poor quality. I just keep backup cameras.
Leica is still living on the stellar reputation from 1960 when German craftsmanship was top of the line. Then came Nikon F.
Buy a M8 or 8.2 . 10 MP is plenty. I use mine all the time along with a D3. M8 & 9 are nice if you like Leica, but expensive toys like sports cars.