Quick 12585 hood question

Yes on #2. Not sure about #1, but going to guess no for the elmar. The 12528 has metal tabs that extend out from the inside of the hood. On the elmar there isn't a channel in front of the f-stop for them to go into. Plus, on my new-style elmar the lens itself is a smaller diameter than the V4 and the hood just slips over the lens.
 
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