Rangefinder Mysticism

Funny how the iPod sort of showed up in this thread (I recently got my first one...which is funny, given how long I've both worked with Macs and been fixing others'). I think the iPod and our beloved rangefinders have quite a bit in common: both are purposeful in design, minimal in number of controls, free of excessive jazz (unless, in the case of the iPod, you're deep into Miles or Trane...). In spite of the fact that the latest "full-size" version plays video as well (which I'm not at all into...someone found me a leftover 60GB iPod Photo, which was exactly what I wanted), Apple wisely fought the temptation to load the thing with distracting gimcracks that would get in the way of its intuitive interface. A rather "Leica-esque" approach, maybe?

So, I'm not allergic to modern tech, but I'm a choosy mother about what kind of tech I have to deal with day-to-day. Friends and family assume I know gadgets inside and out (judging from how many questions I get hit with on what to buy), and in a way I guess I do, but the more I've learned, the less awed I am by it all. I hate TV, so any talk about big HD sets puts me to sleep. I went out of my way to find a cell phone that didn't have a built-in camera or games. Galfriend's kids are dismayed that neither of my Macs have games on them ("Cuts into my RFf hang-time" I said the last time one of them asked). Choosing what you use carefully is always a good thing.

(And, no, I don't listen while photographing...too distracting)


- Barrett
 
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amateriat said:
Friends and family assume I know gadgets inside and out (judging from how many questions I get hit with on what to buy), and in a way I guess I do, but the more I've learned, the less awed I am by it all. I hate TV, so any talk about big HD sets puts me to sleep. I went out of my way to find a cell phone that didn't have a built-in camera or games. Galfriend's kids are dismayed that neither of my Macs have games on them ("Cuts into my RFf hang-time" I said the last time one of them asked). Choosing what you use carefully is always a good thing.

(And, no, I don't listen while photographing...too distracting)


- Barrett

I cant stand it when family or friends ask me about which digital point and shoot to buy. Why do they assume Im going to know about such thing, I just dont care. Go to the store and ask. I may know a little, but I really dont want to talkl about it. IM always forgeting my cell phone or forgetting to charge it.
 
The thing that distinguishes the simple rangefinder for me is that when I focus and set exposure settings, they stay set until I change them. This allows me to concentrate on the scene and look for the perfect shot. With the battery powered digicams and film cameras, they always want to return to some "home" setting and power down, so, when I'm ready to shoot, I have to check everything again. A Leica IIIa or IIIf with a 35mm or 50mm is a pleasure to work with.

Jim N.
 
back alley said:
I cant stand it when family or friends ask me about which digital point and shoot to buy.

my standard answer is...canon make the most popular ones, hard to go wrong.

accurate and mostly true.

Me too, I just say " well...you can't go wrong with a canon or nikon"
When you do though, you have to look away or start a different coversation because they will want to know how many megapixels they need.
 
As long as the ipod is black and white display and made of metal (leaving the old mini as the only choice).. 😀

I think it might be quite a funny experience to disconnect from the outer world except for the visual part and then go shoting - must try this!
 
Different gear whether it be lenses or cameras or still vs motion inspire different ways of seeing.

I go out these days with a DSLR (Nik D200), the R-D1 and a P&S (Canon G7). They each bring something unique to the table.
 
pesphoto said:
The radio has music.....for free.
Presumably (hopingly!), you've got better stations in your neck of the woods than here (where it truly bites, save for a handful of public stations, some of whch I try to do my bit to support). With few exceptions, I prefer being my own deejay, especially on-the-go.


- Barrett
 
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"IIIg's for the Elven-kings under the sky
M7's for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone
Nine M3's for Mortal Men doomed to die
One M8 for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the land of Rangefindor, where the Shadows lie.
One M to rule them all, One M to find them
One M to bring them all and in the low light bind them
In the land of Rangefindor, where the Shadows lie."
 
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back alley said:
I cant stand it when family or friends ask me about which digital point and shoot to buy.

my standard answer is...canon make the most popular ones, hard to go wrong.

accurate and mostly true.
This reminds me of the end of a conversation:

Friend: Seriously, which one should I get?
Me: Well, everyone and their dog seems to go with Nikon or Canon, can't go wrong with those...
Friend: (peering into my bag) so why are you using an Olympus?
Me: Because I like to be wrong, y'know, it's less boring (wink!)
Ex-friend: (Raised eyebrow, about to say something, but turned and walked away...)

I find RF cameras are more intuitive to use for certain usage. How? the key is the "range". You knew exactly where the focus range starts and where it ends. Therefore, you can calculate the distance, compose and prepare the camera way before you take the viewfinder up to your eye. It's the perfect candid/street-shooting camera. (btw, yes, I knew about hyperfocal focusing on SLR's but it's not the same as in an RF camera, not by a long shot).

SLR's are perfect for situations where you can keep the viewfinder in front of your eye for a long time (soccer match, basketball games, landscape, posed-group shot, etc.).

So to me, it's more practicality vs mystique.
 
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pesphoto said:
The radio has music.....for free.

and most, if not all sucks...IMHO. Pop and country make my head hurt, rock and roll is dead...I can sometimes listen to the classic rock station, but I need diversity and they seem to play the same songs over and over and over...

I listen to independent labels that don't get sponsored by the corporate machine...NPR is the only bright spot on the dial and they podcast 🙂 for free
 
I don't know that there's anything "mystical" about the RF experience (although I'm relatively new to it). To me, there are perfectly rational reasons for preferring RF cameras in some circumstances, and most of them (funnily enough) come down to the rangefinder itself (assuming we're talking about long EBL RFs):

.. an RF will focus more accurately than an SLR at "RF typical" distances
.. an RF allows effective manual focus in much lower light than an SLR
.. manual focus allows much greater control over the plane of focus than AF
.. but, unfortunately, modern AF SLRs are hopeless in terms of focus aids for MF

Then there's the availability for RF cameras of many lenses that perform well wide open (most RF lenses seem better than all but the most expensive SLR lenses in this regard, and the best ones seem Just Plain Better). All tied up in a smallish and easy-to-handle package.

To me that all adds up to good (one hopes) photos taken with precise control over focus using narrow DOF (in low light, or perhaps not) in circumstances where that would be difficult or impossible with SLRs, P&S etc. That's not all you can do with a rangefinder, of course, but its the main thing to me that's difficult to do with other types of camera (and not nearly as much fun).

All the stuff about mechanical vs electronic, digital vs film etc. kind've passes me by. You can get great all-mechanical non-RF cameras. You can get digital and film non-RFs (and, these days, you can get digital RFs). You can use manual exposure controls on the latest all-singing, all-dancing dSLR if you like. The controls aren't quite the same, but they're quite easy to get used to (one wheel for aperture, another for shutter speed - what's hard about that?). I'm quite happy with AE, motorised film handling etc. on my Hexar RF, thank you very much. And the lack of the above on my M3 doesn't bother me much either.

The only other thing that may be there with RF cameras, for me, is that I may be composing differently with an RF than I have with other cameras (esp. SLRs). But I'm not sure. The inside/outside the framelines in view, and all the scene in focus in the viewfinder, thing. I'll need to ponder and experiment more on that.

So, to me, it all comes down to the focusing mechanism. Accuracy and control. I wouldn't use RF focusing for action shots (catch birds in flight with an RF? maybe possible, but purest masochism) or for macro or for long distance, but within its appropriate range, as far as I'm aware, it can't be beaten.

And there's nothing mystical about that.

...Mike

P.S. As to P&S digicams - I've found the perfect one for me (for my uses, YMMV). Its any of the pocket-sized Canon digital IXUS models (digital ELPHs, I think they're called in the States). Tough stainless steel bodies. Mine is dinged up, its taken a dip in the swimming pool, it lives permanently in my pocket and suffers the consequences. It still works fine, and for what it is it takes a decent photo as well. Mostly its there to take photos of whiteboards, or equipment assembly and other boring things. But its also there if there's a photo I want, and I have no other camera with me. Mine is an IXUS 40 (SD300, in US terms, I think) and it works just fine for me.

iPods? I don't know from iPods. I'm not a pod person. I'm not even sure I approve of pod people. I saw this movie once...
 
"f.8 - guesstimate - wait ......... shoot!"
With 50 yr old Zorkis and 70 yr old Barnacks, there's just not enough there to really complicate things. Not much mystery to it; no killing of time making nit-picking decisions. (It also cuts down on the amount of scratching I have to do on my balding head. 😎 ) I enjoy walking, strolling along, looking for something interesting to photograph rather standing 'n staring at my belt, putzing/fiddling with gear. I can do that at home, in front of the monitor, with you guys. 😉
 
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