espressogeek
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Tomorrow my RD-1 arrives. I am so psyched . I have the 35/2 ZM, 50/1.4 Canon and 90/4 rokkor. I was curious what additional lens I should add on the wide end? Would the 21mm Zeiss be to wide? If so would the 24/2.8 be the next logical choice? Does anyone have any pics from these lenses on the RD-1?
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Sailor Ted
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espressogeek
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Is the 2nd one with the 21mm ZM?
akptc
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I find the 15mm CV works very very well with the RD1.
Sailor Ted
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All three examples are with the 21mm Zeiss. How do you find the 15mm for vignetting?
Also the second one may be soft for a few different reasons.
1. I may have used noise reduction when processing the RAW file. I don't know as this was one of the first pictures I shot and processed and at the time I was just learning digital processing (I was a film guy and I'm learning every day). When I get a chance I'll re-work the shot and see.
2. It was a longish exposure hand held so that may be the issue or it may be due to the range finder being out from day one.
Anyway the 21mm is a sharp lens as the third photo shows. If you get the Zeiss I predict you'll love it as much as I do. It's a great lens and a nice ergonomic fit for this camera.
Also the second one may be soft for a few different reasons.
1. I may have used noise reduction when processing the RAW file. I don't know as this was one of the first pictures I shot and processed and at the time I was just learning digital processing (I was a film guy and I'm learning every day). When I get a chance I'll re-work the shot and see.
2. It was a longish exposure hand held so that may be the issue or it may be due to the range finder being out from day one.
Anyway the 21mm is a sharp lens as the third photo shows. If you get the Zeiss I predict you'll love it as much as I do. It's a great lens and a nice ergonomic fit for this camera.
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espressogeek
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I love the look of that Zeiss. Their lenses leave such a "fingerprint" some times.
akptc
Shoot first, think later
There is some vignetting but it's fairly easily removed in Photoshop. Most of my shots with it so far have been in dark places, (2) but here are a few samples I found on flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tullyz/tags/15mm/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tullyz/tags/15mm/
rvaubel
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Sailor Ted said:
Quite frankly, The 15mm VC has a lot of vignetting on the RD1. I still use it because it is a lot of fun but even anti-vignetting software can't always beat it. The good news is the M8 seems to have liked the vignetting problem. This is good news for me because I really like those older design, symmetrical wides that were problematic on the RD1.
Rex
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Sailor Ted
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Yea there's this cat on flickr (one of my favorite photogs and a personal inspiration) by the name of Captainvideo and he too seems to get a lot of play out of the CV 15 on his R-D1.
WOOF WOOF! Rex I just got my M8 this evening and despite is ergonomics (I can say now first hand that the R-D1 beats it hands down in this department) I can't wait to get it out and test those wide-angle lenses. Rex you really ought to try the 12mm- it's a killer on the R-D1.
Sailor
WOOF WOOF! Rex I just got my M8 this evening and despite is ergonomics (I can say now first hand that the R-D1 beats it hands down in this department) I can't wait to get it out and test those wide-angle lenses. Rex you really ought to try the 12mm- it's a killer on the R-D1.
Sailor
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J. Borger
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THe question if 21mm = 32mm is too wide or not can only be answered in relation to the intentional use and how comfortable you feel working very close up.
For streetphotography i personaly consider it too wide, because i feel uncomfortable to get so very close to people (and yes you have to stick that lens almost in their face to make even a modest 32mm wide angle pictures work).... for documentary or other use where people are aware and do not mind their pictures are taken it's a very fine focal length with possibility of dramatic looking pictures as Nick perfectly illustrated with his samples.
Just my take of course ... mileage varies !
For streetphotography i personaly consider it too wide, because i feel uncomfortable to get so very close to people (and yes you have to stick that lens almost in their face to make even a modest 32mm wide angle pictures work).... for documentary or other use where people are aware and do not mind their pictures are taken it's a very fine focal length with possibility of dramatic looking pictures as Nick perfectly illustrated with his samples.
Just my take of course ... mileage varies !
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Sailor Ted
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J Borger,
You are of course correct it does depend on how comfortable you are with getting up close and personal. You'll love this- 12mm CV (my favorite lens on the R-D1.) Now this is close! I can get away with this on my R-D1 only because it's so quite- they didn't even know they had their pictures taken : ) The second shot is with the 21mm Zeiss (I think).
Nick- really great shots. Very Magnum like.
You are of course correct it does depend on how comfortable you are with getting up close and personal. You'll love this- 12mm CV (my favorite lens on the R-D1.) Now this is close! I can get away with this on my R-D1 only because it's so quite- they didn't even know they had their pictures taken : ) The second shot is with the 21mm Zeiss (I think).
Nick- really great shots. Very Magnum like.
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J. Borger
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Nice shots Ted ..............good to see the wides work for for you .... nothing more personal than lens-choice. I am not much of a wide-angle guy myself .....Sailor Ted said:
My lens use on R-D1/ M8 =
35mm 40%
50mm 58%
75mm 1%
21mm 1%
Sailor Ted
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Thanks J,
The truth is my wide angles really help me catch the decisive moment in focus whereas some RF photogs can focus a Noctilux faster then a speeding DSLR. I wish I could say that’s me : )
Night,
Ted
The truth is my wide angles really help me catch the decisive moment in focus whereas some RF photogs can focus a Noctilux faster then a speeding DSLR. I wish I could say that’s me : )
Night,
Ted
anglophone1
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My two most used lnses are 28mm and 21mm [both CV] which is about 42mm and 32mm on 35mm, where I used to use a 35 and 28................
Next the 15, followed by the 12, lastly the 50.....................
I've kept the 35 and 90 for my back up film body!
Take a look at http://www.clive-evans.co.uk/cgi-bin/new.pl for a whole story shot on this combo...................................
Best
Clive
Next the 15, followed by the 12, lastly the 50.....................
I've kept the 35 and 90 for my back up film body!
Take a look at http://www.clive-evans.co.uk/cgi-bin/new.pl for a whole story shot on this combo...................................
Best
Clive
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As you're in to your Zeiss glass, have you considered waiting for the upcoming 18mm f/4 Distagon? Or its close relation the 21mm f/4.5? Both announced at Photokina in October so I assume they'll be along fairly soon. The 18 would be particularly good considering the crop factor.
Also consider the Voigtlander 21mm f/4 - very, very compact, fine lens on the R-D1 - I use it a lot.
Also consider the Voigtlander 21mm f/4 - very, very compact, fine lens on the R-D1 - I use it a lot.
iml
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Seconded on the CV 21/4.0, a really good lens. I use it with a 28mm finder on the R-D1, which gives pretty accurate framing. Some pictures with this combination:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=6497
Ian
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=6497
Ian
espressogeek
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Looks like I will get a 21mm then. Perhaps I will spring for a 28mm later. Are there any good classic designed 28mm lenses by canon or nikon that dont suck? I thought i would try one of those before i spent the money on another ZM.
Sailor Ted
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Espressogeek,
You'll love that Zeiss lens and you'll need its extra light sensitivity of f2.8. As to a 28mm I'm in the same quandary but I'll pay Sean R.'s site a visit. My concern is that in a lens of this length I don't want one that's too slow or vignettes too much and I don’t know if I really need an EFOV lens of 42mm in the first place.
That said I could easily live with only three lenses for my R-D1s.
1. 12mm CV
2. 21mm ZM
3. 35mm Leica Summicron non-asph (great deals used and such a wonderful lens in such a fast and compact design, sharp as a tack too!)
Sailor Ted
You'll love that Zeiss lens and you'll need its extra light sensitivity of f2.8. As to a 28mm I'm in the same quandary but I'll pay Sean R.'s site a visit. My concern is that in a lens of this length I don't want one that's too slow or vignettes too much and I don’t know if I really need an EFOV lens of 42mm in the first place.
That said I could easily live with only three lenses for my R-D1s.
1. 12mm CV
2. 21mm ZM
3. 35mm Leica Summicron non-asph (great deals used and such a wonderful lens in such a fast and compact design, sharp as a tack too!)
Sailor Ted