nf3996
Member
I need to raise some money so one of my rangefinder camera setups has to go, but I can’t decide which one.
I have a Bronica RF 645 with 45mm, 65mm and 100mm lenses, and a Hasselblad XPan with 30mm, 45mm and 90mm lenses. I use them primarily to shoot transparencies of landscapes for projection.
I do a lot of walking in some of the UK’s more scenic parts and the XPan wins hands down on portability. I can put the body with 45mm and 90mm lenses in a beltpack (plus a small digital P&S) and carry it all day without noticing any weight. The 30mm lens tends to be used only when I’m primarily out for photography, such as on a workshop and carrying a photo backpack and tripod, and then the whole XPan outfit gets used alongside my digital SLR setup.
On the other hand, the RF 645 outfit gives me a larger film area, which can be cropped to a panoramic format if necessary, and 645 format slide mounts are more easily obtained then XPan ones. I wouldn’t have the advantage of the XPan’s 30mm lens, which gives a horizontal field of view of about 17mm equivalent when used in the panoramic format – the 45mm lens on the RF 645 is about 28mm equivalent.
Other considerations that I’m mulling over are support for these discontinued items if they go wrong at some point. I believe Hasselblad will support the XPan through to 2014, but I don’t know about the commitment of Bronica (now subsumed into Tamron, who in turn are handled by Intro 2020 here in the UK) to supporting the RF 645.
I still shoot 35mm film in another camera occasionally, so keeping the XPan setup would mean I could standardize on one film format. And I guess 35mm film will be more readily available than 120 format in the longer term. But how long will Gepe (or others?) produce slide mounts for the XPan format?
My head is telling me to keep the XPan outfit, but I do enjoy the quality of 645 slides. And from a financial point of view, I’d raise more by selling the XPan outfit (probably about GBP 1800/USD 3600) than the RF 645 (about GBP 1200/USD 2400).
I’ve put down my current thoughts here, but input from anyone else would be useful in helping me come to a decision. I’m posting this in both the XPan and MF fora to get the benefit of views from both sides.
Alan
I have a Bronica RF 645 with 45mm, 65mm and 100mm lenses, and a Hasselblad XPan with 30mm, 45mm and 90mm lenses. I use them primarily to shoot transparencies of landscapes for projection.
I do a lot of walking in some of the UK’s more scenic parts and the XPan wins hands down on portability. I can put the body with 45mm and 90mm lenses in a beltpack (plus a small digital P&S) and carry it all day without noticing any weight. The 30mm lens tends to be used only when I’m primarily out for photography, such as on a workshop and carrying a photo backpack and tripod, and then the whole XPan outfit gets used alongside my digital SLR setup.
On the other hand, the RF 645 outfit gives me a larger film area, which can be cropped to a panoramic format if necessary, and 645 format slide mounts are more easily obtained then XPan ones. I wouldn’t have the advantage of the XPan’s 30mm lens, which gives a horizontal field of view of about 17mm equivalent when used in the panoramic format – the 45mm lens on the RF 645 is about 28mm equivalent.
Other considerations that I’m mulling over are support for these discontinued items if they go wrong at some point. I believe Hasselblad will support the XPan through to 2014, but I don’t know about the commitment of Bronica (now subsumed into Tamron, who in turn are handled by Intro 2020 here in the UK) to supporting the RF 645.
I still shoot 35mm film in another camera occasionally, so keeping the XPan setup would mean I could standardize on one film format. And I guess 35mm film will be more readily available than 120 format in the longer term. But how long will Gepe (or others?) produce slide mounts for the XPan format?
My head is telling me to keep the XPan outfit, but I do enjoy the quality of 645 slides. And from a financial point of view, I’d raise more by selling the XPan outfit (probably about GBP 1800/USD 3600) than the RF 645 (about GBP 1200/USD 2400).
I’ve put down my current thoughts here, but input from anyone else would be useful in helping me come to a decision. I’m posting this in both the XPan and MF fora to get the benefit of views from both sides.
Alan
Terao
Kiloran
Well if it sways you in one direction depending on the price I may be interested in the Broni plus 45 & 65
If you like the large neg/slide you could always sell both and invest some of the funds released into a Mamiya 6/7 plus pano adapter. Not as compact as an Xpan but service is available and it gives you the best of both perhaps - still a 24 x 65 aspect ration on 35mm film.
A 7ii plus pano adapter plus 80mm lens (40mm equiv. field of view) is going to cost you at most £600 in the UK meaning you can release say £2k cash and keep both formats (well, add another in that you'll get 6x7).
I could even be interested in a swap deal (have a 7ii at the moment), PM me if interested...
If you like the large neg/slide you could always sell both and invest some of the funds released into a Mamiya 6/7 plus pano adapter. Not as compact as an Xpan but service is available and it gives you the best of both perhaps - still a 24 x 65 aspect ration on 35mm film.
A 7ii plus pano adapter plus 80mm lens (40mm equiv. field of view) is going to cost you at most £600 in the UK meaning you can release say £2k cash and keep both formats (well, add another in that you'll get 6x7).
I could even be interested in a swap deal (have a 7ii at the moment), PM me if interested...
glynjones
Member
I'd second the thought about the mamiya, though I wouldn't bother with the panoramic adaptor - they're apparently fiddly to use and it limits you to that format until you change film. Instead just shoot 120 film and crop it later if you want the panoramics.
The only real problem here though is that 30mm on the xpan. The widest the mamiya does is 43. How much do you use the 30 - if you use it a lot then stick with the xpan.
The only real problem here though is that 30mm on the xpan. The widest the mamiya does is 43. How much do you use the 30 - if you use it a lot then stick with the xpan.
BillBingham2
Registered User
Can you get a wider lense for the mamiya and crop? Would that get you close enough?
My head says keep the mamiya because I think it is more versital. MF negatives just seem to have more bite to them, but then there is 4x5!
Where will you get more money from today? Could you buy it back 4 years from now (when your cash flow is better) at a much lower cost?
B2 (;->
My head says keep the mamiya because I think it is more versital. MF negatives just seem to have more bite to them, but then there is 4x5!
Where will you get more money from today? Could you buy it back 4 years from now (when your cash flow is better) at a much lower cost?
B2 (;->
AusDLK
Famous Photographer
I think that your estimate of your Xpan's value is low.
From what I've read, the 30mm lens alone could sell for $3000.
From what I've read, the 30mm lens alone could sell for $3000.