RFF Classified Guidelines Revised

[CameraQuest]

Thanks to some recent problems, RFF Classifieds have been revised as follows:

2) PAYMENTS to Seller: Paypal and postal money orders are good ways to make payment and have some recourse if the item is not as advertised or not received. It is strongly recommended that buyers do NOT make payment by bank wire transfer or Western Union, as this allows the buyer little recourse if there are problems. Sellers may not require payment by bank wire transfer or Western Union.

Thanks
Stephen

 

[oldoc]

New Guidelines

New Guidelines

Thanks, Stephen.
There are fruitcakes among us.
I purchased a Summilux from tonys today, only to have the idiot have second thoughts about the sale and email me later an say that he was retaining the lens.
I have learned my lesson. Buy from folks with more posts, and tell the others to go to hell...
Michael

 

[peter_n]

tonys is a member. The ad is still in the classifieds. I thought it was a nice lens too...

 

[oldoc]

Absolutely NOT Tony Rose, we are talking about an idividual member who negotiates a sale, then, after a money transfer, decides not to sell, but leaves the ad on classifieds.
Rose is as honorable as the day is long. It is RFF membership which has unstable people.

 

[bob338]

i got pretty upset a few months ago when someone listed a canon 25mm very cheap and reneged on the deal. naturally, he had 0 posts.
i think most of this would be solved by adopting the stevehoffman.tv classifieds rules that i've suggested a bunch of times; 30 days and at least 50 posts. it really weeds out the idiots...

bob

 

[oldoc]

No LOST money, just 1700 dollars and a lot of time wasted on someone who had 4 posts reneging on a purchase.

 

[oldoc]

Still posted as a pre-aspherical Summilux in the lenses area of the RFF classifieds. Ad still not withdrawn despite a very clear email from me.

 

[oldoc]

Nikonwebmaster, why advertise the lens if you are not gonna sell it??
Ad had been around for about 2 days.
I hesitated, noting that he only had 4 posts, but thought, heck, I only had that many once as well....
So much I know...
Thoroughly agree with Bob338

 

[35mmdelux]

30 days and at least 50 posts. it really weeds out the idiots...

bob

AND references as well.

 

[oldoc]

Yeah, 35, I have seen you say that before....
Excellent counsel.

 

[kshapero]

Thanks, Stephen.
There are fruitcakes among us.
I purchased a Summilux from tonys today, only to have the idiot have second thoughts about the sale and email me later an say that he was retaining the lens.
I have learned my lesson. Buy from folks with more posts, and tell the others to go to hell...
Michael

yes you should buy only from frequent posters or someone with good references, but just because you should not 😎buy from a poster with say 2 posts does not mean he needs to go to hell. Chill out dude.

 

[mgd711]

Despite being fairly new here I agree with the idea that people have to have a minimum number of posts and maybe also a minimum length of time as a member before being allowed to sell.

I've bought ton's from E Bay and a few items from guys here but will never used anything other than Paypal to pay for the goods.

 

[kshapero]

Absolutely NOT Tony Rose, we are talking about an idividual member who negotiates a sale, then, after a money transfer, decides not to sell, but leaves the ad on classifieds.
Rose is as honorable as the day is long. It is RFF membership which has unstable people.

Dude, CHILL OUT. Come to think of it, you are one those newbie posters you were talking about.

 

[CameraQuest]

i got pretty upset a few months ago when someone listed a canon 25mm very cheap and reneged on the deal. naturally, he had 0 posts.
i think most of this would be solved by adopting the stevehoffman.tv classifieds rules that i've suggested a bunch of times; 30 days and at least 50 posts. it really weeds out the idiots...

bob

Some people join RFF just to sell excess gear. Some people visit RFF just to buy gear. Not too long ago we had classified problems from several members who had posted for years.

Problems can happen at either end of the sale, to experienced and non experienced members alike. There will be no time or posting requirements in order to place ads.

Stephen

 

[35mmdelux]

There will be no time or posting requirements in order to place ads.

Stephen

well, there you go, Oldoc. the judge has spoken. P.

 

[George S.]

Some people join RFF just to sell excess gear. Some people visit RFF just to buy gear. Not too long ago we had classified problems from several members who had posted for years.

Problems can happen at either end of the sale, to experienced and non experienced members alike. There will be no time or posting requirements in order to place ads.

Stephen

Wow. Common sense. Thank you, Stephen. I wouldn't want to see a minimum 50 posts before someone is allowed to sell. They could just waste everyone's time posting 50 useless comments, mucking up the discussions to get to the magic 50.

 

[kshapero]

I saw a RFF ad from a guy with only 2 posts. He gave a 100% Positive at Ebay over 400 sells. And a reference from, I think, PhotoVillage. I bought the item. All went well.

 

[oldoc]

Well, you'll note my message was not to insist that there needs to be a requirement to sell for the forum. With all due respect to the head bartender, I CAN, however, reserve the manner in which I choose to spend MY money to those who are more well-known or more frequent visitors. I have bought things here before, and have seen members go out of their way to be a straight arrow. As a matter of fact, I have done so myself, and there are several RFF members who will confirm this. All I can say is that the people I have dealt with ho had a history here valued their membership more, and I suspect they would not want the folks they communicate with every day to think they had stiffed another member. Although I am not he bartender, nor a member for years, I have a lot of respect for a number of the people here.
Further, there is no need to "chill out", as has been suggested in a flippant, silly manner in this thread. Until you have had the thought that someone is about to try to walk away from a deal with YOUR 1700 dollars, you probably should refrain from blanket statements such as "chill out, dude" to people who have had the experience. Frankly, it makes you sound like you have an immediate and personal familiarity with mind-altering drugs, and causes others to give very little credence to your thoughts.
To others, thanks for the human concern, and for their appropriate righteous indignation. I don't need to chill because I am not "hot", just raising an important (in my opinion only) point.
And to the Head Bartender, thanks for being there, and "cheers"...

 

[kshapero]

Thanks, Stephen.
Buy from folks with more posts, and tell the others to go to hell...
Michael

As I politely said before, chill out, is the required response. We've all been burned before.

 

[oldoc]

GeorgeS's point is extremely well taken, BTW.
There are certainly ways to get around the rules if you want to do so.
The important lesson here, for all of us is not to sell, or buy in haste and regret in leisure. No one forces us to use this part of the forum. It is voluntary.
"Do unto others ..." is a good guide here as it is in life in general.
I forgive the mistake, and I am sure, after contact, that the seller is remorseful, so it is not about him. I won't even mention member name. Just keep in mind that there IS another person on the other end of the deal, and do unto others...