Ricoh 28 2.8 LTM vs Elmarit 28 Asph on M10

[jbf]

Hi all,

Been a long hiatus from posting here.

I'm looking to finally get a compact 28 2.8 lens for both my M6 and soon to be M-10D.

GR1/s film cameras are some of my favorite pocket cameras and optics. In used condition, both lenses are in similar price ranges ~1600 for GR28 and ~1800 for Elmarit 28 Asph.

For the past 7ish years I've used a 28 Ultron 1.8 lens. While great I want something more compact now.

A few questions:

1. What is the general consensus on the GR28 vs Summarit Asph?
2. Does the GR lens cause any color shifts? Is this still a problem with digital M's and older wide lenses?

 

[james.liam]

From Cameraquest’s archives:

"28/2.8 Ricoh from the GR-1, introduced in the Japanese market for 1998. Production is limited to 3,000 lenses. A small, lightweight, relatively inexpensive lens, but not quite up to Leica lens performance. Same lens as on the GR-1. Regrettably Ricoh exited 35mm cameras in 1999, to concentrate on digital cameras."

With the Zeiss ZM series, the slower and wider the film-era lens, the greater the seeming potential was for color shift (a good [bad] example being the 21 Biogon C). I have no experience with the Ricoh 28 LTM so can't comment. But a greater hypothetical at a 28mm FL, is blurring of the corner details of this older film-era lens when shot on digital sensors.

 

[pushto1600]

From Cameraquest’s archives:

"28/2.8 Ricoh from the GR-1, introduced in the Japanese market for 1998. Production is limited to 3,000 lenses. A small, lightweight, relatively inexpensive lens, but not quite up to Leica lens performance. Same lens as on the GR-1. Regrettably Ricoh exited 35mm cameras in 1999, to concentrate on digital cameras."

With the Zeiss ZM series, the slower and wider the film-era lens, the greater the seeming potential was for color shift (a good [bad] example being the 21 Biogon C). I have no experience with the Ricoh 28 LTM so can't comment. But a greater hypothetical at a 28mm FL, is blurring of the corner details of this older film-era lens when shot on digital sensors.

Didn't the GR-1v and the GR-21 come out in 2001?

 

[madNbad]

Get the latest Elmarit ASPH. In addition to the change from a snap on to a screw on lens hood, apparently there were some minor optical tweaks to make it more sensor friendly. If you have a M10 it's worth having a lens that has been optimized for it.

 

[james.liam]

Didn't the GR-1v and the GR-21 come out in 2001?

GR-1 is vintage 1996

Get the latest Elmarit ASPH...apparently there were some minor optical tweaks to make it more sensor friendly. If you have a M10 it's worth having a lens that has been optimized for it.

Yup.

 

[scautez]

I have the 28mm f.28 Ricoh screw mount lens. I selected it for the Ricoh colours which are perhaps a bit more muted and pastel in tone, but I like the look. It would probably not be as sharp as the Leica, but if you like the Ricoh look from the GR film cameras, you may like it. These were both taken with the Roch on Lomo 800 film https://scautphoto.wordpress.com/2020/07/16/night-lights/