Ricoh GR III?
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nightfly
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His early color digital images kind of sucked.
Don't know what he's using but they've gotten a lot better probably as he's gotten more familiar with the medium and the technology. The latest Tokyo book is very good.
Don't know what he's using but they've gotten a lot better probably as he's gotten more familiar with the medium and the technology. The latest Tokyo book is very good.
Lss
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Hmm, I replied to this but either it was removed or some technical glitch hit it.
Anyway, the XF10 is not a very strong contender for me. I like the price, but it lacks a hot shoe and it is larger than the GR III. The size of the Ricoh is approaching that of Sigma DP1, which I used to shoot with.
If the Ricoh is priced too high, I may still check the Fuji.
Lss
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Not a great advertisement for Ricoh quality. I recall the GR feeling solid, but I think that is the only one I ever handled.
Of course, the dust issue I know about.
jsrockit
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While I didn`t care about the lack of hot shoe in the XF10, I do care that the AF is seemingly from a few generations ago and misses in low contrast scenes in daylight... it is bothering me to miss photos on the street that none of my other cameras (or even the GR II) miss. $500 was too good to be true...unless Fuji pulls off some FW magic.
emraphoto
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FrozenInTime
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IBIS / VR was a very useful improvement on the GRDIV.
With more pixels available on the GR III, it will really help for night cityscapes.
With more pixels available on the GR III, it will really help for night cityscapes.
nickthetasmaniac
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Also for perspective, I’m also on my third (I/I/II) and all three have had dust issues...
Archlich
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The Coolpix didn't need a cult; it's a every man's camera, designed to be replaced and forgotten soon.
The GR was a highly specialized, "photographer's camera". Much like Leica, it had to bundle itself with a certain genre or style of photography in order to survive: buy the camera and you buy the photography or, if you buy the photography then you'd better buy the camera as well (this part I don't like much about both brands). They chose Moriyama's photography, and Moriyama himself as spokesperson, although he never needed to speak directly. It was his style that spoke.
They'd do fine without Moriyama, since they would have found another one, although Moriyama certainly fits the bill (the brand image we see today) best. If they couldn't, they'd create one like what Konica did. The camera itself was excellent so they wouldn't be afraid to live up to it anyway.
Archlich
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Some more juice regarding the GR III from two interviews:
- The camera's quite a departure so they decided to announce half a year before shipment for users to decide between it and the GR II. (which means shipment around April?)
- Sensor Shift mechanism takes a lot of space. Flash is omitted, lens redesigned to be thinner.
- Pentax P-TTL flash protocol.
- the camera offers dust removal due to overwhelming requests.
- Optical quality, ergonomics (the usual GR things) are still top priority.
- Phase detection capability from the Pentax K-70.
- New battery. Not interchangeable with the old DB-65.
- Priced under 1000 Euros.
So it's likely to be $899 or $999.
- The camera's quite a departure so they decided to announce half a year before shipment for users to decide between it and the GR II. (which means shipment around April?)
- Sensor Shift mechanism takes a lot of space. Flash is omitted, lens redesigned to be thinner.
- Pentax P-TTL flash protocol.
- the camera offers dust removal due to overwhelming requests.
- Optical quality, ergonomics (the usual GR things) are still top priority.
- Phase detection capability from the Pentax K-70.
- New battery. Not interchangeable with the old DB-65.
- Priced under 1000 Euros.
So it's likely to be $899 or $999.
mod2001
Old school modernist
And according to Ricoh officials at the Photokina, no external EVF planned. Too sad. My GR road (had 3 film and 2 digital) ends at his point after nearly 3 decades as I don't like and can't (eyesight) shoot via display and I need a viewfinder with accurate framing and at least AF-info.
Will be interesting to see how the new button layout and touchscreen handling works out for long time GR-User. Same for the IQ and the slightly changed lens which has 1 element less as far as I understood. And of course the new(old?) sensor.
Juergen
Dogman
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Personally, I'm not begging Ricoh to take my money just yet. I'm really not in the market for a new camera but it's nice to know there's another model GR out there for the time when my GRII dies a natural death or disappears into the night. The rear layout and reduced real estate area kinda worries me because I like how the current GR handles so much.
Dralowid
Michael
So, I used to have a GR1s which was much loved but I sold it before it broke. I bought a Nex 6 because I thought I'd want to used my old lenses. Favourite was with the 35mm 2.8 Summaron. I want to sell it now because there really is no need to do this and I don't want the clutter.
I'm tempted by the GRII and III. Question is will they give me as much pleasure as that old film GR? Are they as small?
I'm tempted by the GRII and III. Question is will they give me as much pleasure as that old film GR? Are they as small?
Monz
Monz
The GR ii and the film GR1v/ GRIs are similar in size.
Is the dark side of the force stronger than the light side? by Monz, on FlickrArchlich
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My old GR1v and GRD3 (the GR was sold).
The GRD3 is almost identical to size to the new GR3, just 1mm narrower. The GR1v is a tad thinner.
The GRD3 is almost identical to size to the new GR3, just 1mm narrower. The GR1v is a tad thinner.
jsrockit
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nightfly
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No and no.
I've owned a couple of film GRs and The GRD I, III and the GR I and II.
I would say no, they won't give you as much pleasure as the film GR. The film version was an almost perfect manifestation of a compact film camera.
The digital GR, while very good, is still a bit of a computer. If they had kept the dedicated aperture dial on top, maybe but as it is, while better than it's competition, it still isn't as satisfying to use, for me, as the film version. You can't really use it without the screen even with an auxiliary finder, because you don't really know what your setting are.
In comparison, I can shoot my Leica M9 very much like my Leica M4-P without ever turning on the screen. It's the most analog, digital camera I've ever used.
Also the digital GRs are slightly thicker than the film version, not a significant amount but enough so that it feels much more substantial in the pocket.
That said it's the best of the lot with a great sensor and good controls.
Dralowid
Michael
Hmmm, confused I am but won't commit just yet.
Dunn
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I've been waiting for this release for a while now and I have to say I'm pretty disappointed.
I've had the original aps-c GR since it came out and loved it, except for having dust issues and it finally died on me after getting the black screen at startup. So, I was waiting on this before deciding how to replace my old one.
-More pixels, sure, why not!
-Removing the flash? Why? So they can make it a tiny bit smaller... I think more people not buy it because of not having a flash than would not buy it if it had a flash and was the size of the previous version. I never heard anyone say the last version was too big.
-Not weather sealed. I had to send mine of a couple of times to get dust cleaned off the sensor. Doesn't seem that hard to seal it up a little more.
-Viewfinder was a pipe dream so whatever
Seems okay, but I would rather just buy a cheaper, used GRII.
And after all this wait...
I've had the original aps-c GR since it came out and loved it, except for having dust issues and it finally died on me after getting the black screen at startup. So, I was waiting on this before deciding how to replace my old one.
-More pixels, sure, why not!
-Removing the flash? Why? So they can make it a tiny bit smaller... I think more people not buy it because of not having a flash than would not buy it if it had a flash and was the size of the previous version. I never heard anyone say the last version was too big.
-Not weather sealed. I had to send mine of a couple of times to get dust cleaned off the sensor. Doesn't seem that hard to seal it up a little more.
-Viewfinder was a pipe dream so whatever
Seems okay, but I would rather just buy a cheaper, used GRII.
And after all this wait...
Archiver
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Have you tried using a 'dumb' OVF? I use the Voigtlander compact 28/35 OVF on the GRD III, GR and Sigma DP1, and it works well for framing as long as you have centre point focus enabled.
