Robert Frank arrested while shooting the Americans

dseelig said:
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Can you name any thing those spies did that show up in the history books? communist hysteria was just that, and the people who went along with it or perputated it were the real anti americans. Eliza Kazan and all of that ilk I hope you never rest in peace.
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Well, Commie spies stole plans for nuclear bombs. It wasn't all hyseria, look up Venona for more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project
 
dseelig said:
I do not care what Arthur Miller said about that period. Peoples lives were ruined and some died over the persecution i.e. John Garfield. I care about the health of this country adn no never forget. PS I am a first generation Jew my mother was born in hungary and came to this country in 1939. Guess how many relatives survived ww11 out of 49 . David PS What is the the old line about history "those that forget history are doomed to repeat it"
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Clifford Odets was another red squealer like Kazan, ruined the careers of brilliant people like Dalton Trumbo.
 
when I visited Barcelona three years ago or so I happened upon a kuseum(maybe the national one in Montjuic) which showed period prints from "the Americans". I was deeply impressed.
 
wikipedia a reliable source

wikipedia a reliable source

God that is funny. And sad. Any communist from this country in that era, would tell you that the thought of the communists taking over this country was a bad joke.
 
Did Robert Frank become an American? As someone who was in the process recently, one single little piece of paper saying you had an encounter with the police that went beyond a friendly "howdy" is enough to justify throwing your application out the window.

In fact, when I was a resident, any unfriendly encounter with the law could have triggered deportation.
 
Michael I. said:
What about Saco and Vensetti?
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Swarthy southern european types had as much chance of a fair trial in 1920s Boston as a blackman had in Montgomery Alabama in the 1950s.

Sacco and Vanzetti were Italian- American anarchists that paid for crimes done by others like the Morelli gang.
 
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Roger Hicks said:
Dear Fred,

That's not a defence. It's not even an excuse. It may be a reason, but not all reasons are good reasons.

Cheers,

R.
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Let me chime in as a 64 year old native of the deep south. We don't give defenses or try to rationalize, we accept history for what it is and learn from it. We certainly cannot pass judgment on what happened long ago based on today's thinking.

Each one of us, regardless of our heritage can find events of our ancestors that do not make sense today. Those can go back many centuries or simply a generation. They are simply history of those guided by the moral compasses that existed at that time.
 
eef said:
I feel sorry for the Rosenbergs too, just as I feel sorry for everyone who was duped by evil communists.

We just passed May 1st, a day dedicated to the memory of the 100 million murdered victims of communism in the 20th century.
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Never heard of that one for May Day. And what Pitxu said.
 
I met with some photog friends a few months back at the mall (they were from iran) and we were shooting in the mall (no bullets just film) anyway we ended up on the news and in the paper with a whole suspected terrorist ordeal it was a nightmare.
 
Don't forget

Don't forget

The people we murdered like Salvador Allende of Chile and who knows how many others. Oh and we used to back Saddam Hussein in the 1980's and early 90s.
 
What always intrigues me is how a society becomes programmed to do the things it does. Who are the opinion creators, the ones who decide to push public thought in certain directions. I often wonder if we are all just being led around by leaders, who, like sleight of hand magicians get us to focus on the wrong hand while their other hand is doing the job.

We get programmed about communists in Russia, then Cuba, then North Korea, then Vietnam. Nothing of significance happened here in North America during all these ‘crises’. Recently it was terrorists, but there were numerous attempts on the WTC prior to 9/11 however it wasn’t a “war on terrorism’. Then it became one. Now we have crises regarding food supplies and energy supplies. Again our eyes are being directed. Meanwhile the Barney Fifes genuinely believe they are doing the right thing.

They were set up and we’re being set up again. I’m not sure why but I am sure we are.
 
Bob Michaels said:
Let me chime in as a 64 year old native of the deep south. We don't give defenses or try to rationalize, we accept history for what it is and learn from it. We certainly cannot pass judgment on what happened long ago based on today's thinking.
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Dear Bob,

Fred has said it better than I was going to. It is perfectly true that we cannot judge an event of 1955 as if it were the 21st century, but treating an innocent man that way, with that degree of arrogance and stupidity, was wrong then, just as it is wrong now.

This is nothing much to do with the deep south (my sister-in-law is a doctor in Alabama, and my late parents-in-law lived there for the last decade or so of their lives, so I'm not unfamiliar with the old south); it is everything to do with arrogant, ignorant policemen.

Cheers,

Roger
 
dseelig,
I'm a little late here, but when you have a chance check out the VENONA intercepts and the information that was found in the intelligence files of the KGB/NKVD after the collapse of the USSR. The USSRs early atomic weapons program was helped by information smuggled out of the Manhattan Project by Klaus Fuchs, a German scientist. Spies at the time were not generally prosecuted, except for a few high-profile cases, because it would disclose intelligence gathering methods. They were more often fed disinformation or turned into double agents. McCarthy and HUAC were stupid and clumsy waste of time, but there's no doubt today that the Soviets were actively working in the west. The KGB was arguably the most sophisticated and ruthless intelligence agency on the planet in the 1950's.
 
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The KGB was arguably the most sophisticated and ruthless intelligence agency on the planet in the 1950's.
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True. But then, as now, poorly trained local police - who wouldn't know a secret agent from a cowpie - use the climate of heightened fear as an excuse to act on their own native bigotry and prejudices, serving no interest other than their own petty, sadistic pleasure.
 
kevin m said:
True. But then, as now, poorly trained local police - who wouldn't know a secret agent from a cowpie - use the climate of heightened fear as an excuse to act on their own native bigotry and prejudices, serving no interest other than their own petty, sadistic pleasure.
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Dear Kevin,

'Petty, sadistic pleasure' may be overstating it, but the words I would have chosen -- 'power trip' -- are not, I suppose, very far from the words you chose.

Cheers,

Roger
 
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eef said:
Well, Commie spies stole plans for nuclear bombs. It wasn't all hyseria, look up Venona for more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project
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Emm...taking photos of people or roads doesn't give you the secret recipe for nuclear bombs.

Unless, of course, plans for nuclear bombs are on people's faces. I doubt it, though. You never know, with sophisticated Army techniques...
 
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