Rodinal Availability

I have several bottles of Rodinal...some bought a few years ago and some this year...
The older Rodinal came in a box and the label reads "Distributed by: Agfa Corporation"...The newer stuff is lighter in color, no box, still labeled AGFA Rodinal but has A&O Imaging Solutions...both are "Made in Germany"
I have two bottles of the older stuff and three of the new so it might take a while to test the new stuff...I'll get back to you then...
 
The name-changing thing is enough to cause one headaches just thinking about it 🙂

As long as the stuff I'm getting does the same thing as the Rodinal of old that I used to use 15+ years ago, then I'll be satisfied.
 
The older Rodinal came in a box and the label reads "Distributed by: Agfa Corporation"...The newer stuff is lighter in color, no box, still labeled AGFA Rodinal but has A&O Imaging Solutions...both are "Made in Germany"
I bought some a couple of years ago in 500ml bottles. It was in a box and labeled AgfaPhoto GmbH, D-51301 Leverkusen, Made in Germany. My box is very similar to the one in the Freestyle web page, but where it says "Agfa" and the Agfa logo on the Freestyle box there is a round symbol and "AgfaPhoto" on my box. My Rodinal is from A&O but I believe Freestyle's is too despite the slightly different packaging. R09 is an old label for 3rd party Rodinal formulations, I remember someone here at RFF raving about Calbe R09 years ago.
 
It is all to do with the rights to the trademark "Rodinal". Here in the U.K. Rodinal now bears the name "R09 One Shot" and is distributed br Rollei Maco. It is however the NEWER formula as formerly marketed by Agfa and laterly A&O. Confusing yes but whats in a name as long as it does the job ? In Canada it is now called Blazinal.... Still the same brew though.

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I got a note from my friend Jan, who is a serious student of such things, from Germany.

I will what post he wrote-- a number of interesting points.



>>Rodinal was introduced by Agfa in 1891 and it was their entry into photographic products. By 1941 their patent expired. So anyone was free to use the recipe after WWII. Though Agfa kept the tradename "Rodinal", so any clone had to be distributed under a different name.


Despite that there had been two Agfas in Germany after WWII, there was only one Rodinal. During the first years after the war the Calbe plant of the East German Agfa (Wolfen) produced it exclusively. It took a couple of years for the West German Agfa (Leverkusen) to put up a production line for chemicals near Leverkusen. But when production commenced, it was according to the old recipe they shared with the Calbe plant.


Finally, in the early 1960s, Agfa Leverkusen won the trademark trial against Agfa Wolfen, so from January 23, 1964, Agfa Wolfen was renamed into OrWo (Original Wolfen). However, both companies shared many pre-war recipes and obviously there was no problem with it.


For Foma it was fairly easy to reproduce Rodinal after WWII, because the recipe was now in the public domain, but the same naming (R09) suggests that they took a license from Agfa Wolfen / Orwo.


I don't think that there are any newly made products of Agfa. In 2004 there was a management buy-out of the photographic department from the Agfa-Gevaert company, which became Agfaphoto. But soon Agfaphoto went into receivership, because millions of Euros of its capital miraculously vanished into thin air, presumably into the pockets of some greedy managers or it had been plundered by hedge funds. Nevertheless, Agfaphoto was facing the digital challenge, but they were prepared. The marketing department of Agfa always had been very good and diligent and they didn't expect a big growing market for traditional photographic products, though they saw a good chance to supply a small, but stable market of photographic enthusiasts.


You may parallel this to Ilford, which also went into receivership in 2004, but made it out of it thanks to the large and devoted crowd of b/w fans. So Agfaphoto might have survived, too. Now they're more or less selling their trademark. I doubt that they're producing any photographic materials. Their factories closed down in November 2005.


You still can buy b/w film labelled Agfaphoto, but I suppose it is repackaged Ilford film, be it either old formula FP4 / HP5 or Ilford Pan 100 / 400. I can't say, as I haven't tried yet. Might be also Foma, which would be much closer to the Agfa tonality.


One can still buy original Agfa formula chemicals from Calbe, e.g. N113 is Neutol NE, or A03 equals Refinal (which is a member of the D76 / ID11 family) - and, of course, R09 (= Rodinal). Unfortunately, there is no replacement for Sistan which was created in 1980 as an image silver protectant and has become integral to my processing of b/w RC prints. <<


Sorry for another long post, but I think there is interesting information, Jan has followed these things comprehensively for years, and as another qualifier he named his mom's late B&W cat Ilford ;-)

Regards, John
 
Now that we have established the source, origins, trials, and tribulations, let's conclude with some peaceful offerings:

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Rodinal + 125 ASA 6x6 negative = Bliss...
 
You can't get 'Rodinal' anymore because A&O stopped bottling it and they are the licensee for all the AgfaPhoto chemicals and related trademarks. They still produce it in bulk to sell to distributors who have to handle the bottling themselves. Thus R09 one-shot is the name you'll find it under in the US, in Canada it's Blazinal, etc.

That's odd. Glazer's just got a fresh shipment of the stuff last week. It's labeled Rodinal, and carries both the Agfa and A&O brands.
 
Very interesting. Thanks for the post John.


Maybe it makes up for a few others. ;-)

I have invited Jan to join RFF, we met via another forum, and in person in Prague, Berlin, and Frankfurt. He really knows his stuff, has been a student much of his life.

While Zu and I visited him in Berlin, he also took the time to help find photo linen, for a photogram project, then made by Wephoto , which briefly took over, and continued, ORWO production.

Freestyle evidently bought up the ORWO film stock and sold it quite quickly.

In addition, Jan did research for the book about my Uncle Senya, who photographed in Berlin, Paris, and Mexico. Jan authored one chapter.

Regards, John
 
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