Rollei 2.8C bokeh

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I read here & elsewhere that the Rollei 2.8C with Xenotar (& 10 aperture blades) might offer nicer bokeh than any other Rollei lens. So I bought one, a 'beater' camera that ended up looking pretty good, just to see. I couldn't do a comparison with another lens, because the shutter stopped firing 1/2 way thru the 1st roll. Back to my repair guy! But from these first shots I'm more than satisfied. (No sharpening, nor any processing besides Levels that would affect OOF areas.)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thompsonkirk/sets/72157627762618485/

Kirk
 
The best person I have found for Rolleiflex repairs is Harry Fleenor at Oceanside:
Oceanside Camera Repair
909 N. Aviation Blvd. Ste. 4
Manhattan Beach, Ca 90266-6241
310 374 6506 - email - harry@rolleirepairs.com

Yes, he is longer turnaround and maybe more expensive. For an older Rollei like yours, that who I would send it to. I tried someone else and they nearly ruined the camera. The Rolleiflex has produced the most pleasing photos I've taken. The 2.8C is not like other Rollei's . Good luck.
 
I think the "C" also came in Zeiss Planar flavor and it also has the 10 aperture blades and it is also known for excellent bokeh. It (the bokeh compared to later models with fewer blades) is not a huge difference, but many have said it's noticeable. People who have used both say the Planar and the Xenotar are equal. I like the "C" best because it has no EVS system.... and I could afford one... Zeiss fans often pay extra for the Planar.
 
ten blades or two, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between the planar or the xenotar... just be happy and shoot it!

Todd
 
I had a 2.8C w/ Xenotar (very sharp) and an E w/ Planar. Never counted the aperture blades in either camera. The Xenatar was as sharp or sharper than the Planar, but my Planar had better bokeh and a wonderful signature all it's own. At least mine did. It's one of my all time favorite lenses. That said, a Xenotar is an excellent lens. All of the Rolleifelex lenses are very good to excellent.
 
I have a Rolleiflex 2.8C with the Planar lens. It has 10 aperture blades.

Somewhere the other day I read that the Xenotar has a more circular aperture opening - but the opening on my Planar lens is pretty circular. There's not a Xenotar handy to do a side-by-side comparison, however, so will have to assume the writer knew what they were talking about.
 
I'm surprised to see all the posts about where to get my camera fixed or which Rollei people like. I didn't mean to raise those issues.

I posted a link to 2 images because I thought both, but especially the second one, showed a different sort of bokeh that I'm accustomed to seeing from my Automats, E, or F. I thought people might respond to the images themselves, or post some of their own that were relevant?

(For those who were concerned about fixing the camera: A replacement spring in the shutter release broke; no big deal; replaced again & on its way home.)

Kirk
 
I'm surprised to see all the posts about where to get my camera fixed or which Rollei people like. I didn't mean to raise those issues.

I posted a link to 2 images because I thought both, but especially the second one, showed a different sort of bokeh that I'm accustomed to seeing from my Automats, E, or F. I thought people might respond to the images themselves, or post some of their own that were relevant?

(For those who were concerned about fixing the camera: A replacement spring in the shutter release broke; no big deal; replaced again & on its way home.)

Kirk

Thanks for posting the images Kirk. I certainly appreciated seeing them. I bought a 2.8C myself a few months ago, and it has rarely been without film in it since. It's been wonderful. The comparison was interesting, because I have a Xenotar 2.8D, too, that I have to sort one of these days, and which I may yet keep. I've decided to take the plunge and find a Tele soon, too. I already have a stash of Cords. To think it all started with just one Cord V. Where oh where will it end?

You have a terrific assortment of Rollei shots in your image stream, and I added you to my FLickr contact list the other day, I love seeing what people are doing with their Rolleis and it's always fantastic to see them in active use.
Regards,
Brett
 
Kirk, I'm not sure if I see a big difference in the Bokey in these examples. Maybe a side by side comparison. The backgrounds are calm here also. It's hard to see where a round aperture would be noticeable.
I'm not sure where you heard the Planar examples are not ten blades. The lens sets were installed into the camera that already have shutter and aperture installed. The lens groups do not effect what was done with the rest of the camera prior to assembly. I could be completely wrong but, I think I'm not in this case.
It's a sweet camera. I have both Xenotar and Planar f2.8 D models in my kit. Hard to tell the output from one to the other. The Xenotar may have a bit better control of field curvature at big apertures (corners). The planar may be smoother in OOF areas. Again it's so splitting hairs. Sorry it's off topic but, relevant in a Rollei thread that is comparing lens output.
 
I find that the bokeh can get a bit squirrelly at times. Like here, the 'vibration' effect on the far back edge of the bench-

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But all in all, I like it. Like here, most of the background is fine, until you get to the tree leaves where it gets vibrating again-

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And then the tree highlights and the spot right below her arm- hmmmm....

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But I'll take this look any day-

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All with a 2.8C Xenotar. Well, you wanted samples, I hope it's ok to post this many.

I haven't used a 5-bladed Xenotar or Planar, so I can't compare. Considering how many 5-bladed medium format lenses that there are in the world, I can only surmise that for most situations bokeh comes from other aspects of lens design.
 
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I'm surprised to see all the posts about where to get my camera fixed or which Rollei people like. I didn't mean to raise those issues.

I posted a link to 2 images because I thought both, but especially the second one, showed a different sort of bokeh that I'm accustomed to seeing from my Automats, E, or F. I thought people might respond to the images themselves, or post some of their own that were relevant?

(For those who were concerned about fixing the camera: A replacement spring in the shutter release broke; no big deal; replaced again & on its way home.)

Kirk

Well, I don't have a 2.8C yet... But I do have a 2.8A with the CZJ lens. I think the bokeh is quite good--creamy smooth at f2.8 and f4... Some gentle swirl wide open with leaves in the background. Smaller apertures are maybe a little more defined than ideal, but still pretty good.

F2.8

2011_10_14_2.8A_IMG3_DxO by ndjedinak, on Flickr

F4

2011_10_15_2.8A_IMG10_DxO by ndjedinak, on Flickr

F8

2011_10_14_2.8A_IMG4_DxO by ndjedinak, on Flickr

F11

2011_10_15_2.8A_IMG12_DxO by ndjedinak, on Flickr

What do you think, is that essentially what you see out of the 2.8C?
 
Well, I don't have a 2.8C yet... But I do have a 2.8A with the CZJ lens. I think the bokeh is quite good--creamy smooth at f2.8 and f4... Some gentle swirl wide open with leaves in the background. Smaller apertures are maybe a little more defined than ideal, but still pretty good.

F2.8

2011_10_14_2.8A_IMG3_DxO by ndjedinak, on Flickr

F4

2011_10_15_2.8A_IMG10_DxO by ndjedinak, on Flickr

F8

2011_10_14_2.8A_IMG4_DxO by ndjedinak, on Flickr

F11

2011_10_15_2.8A_IMG12_DxO by ndjedinak, on Flickr

What do you think, is that essentially what you see out of the 2.8C?
It's nice to see some images from this model Rolleiflex. They don't seem to turn up very often. As I understand it (and this is only from what I have read and gleaned from many different sources on the web) many examples of the A model originally had their lens elements inadvertently mis-matched, and performance subsequently suffered. I have also read that a number of them were subsequently rectified. I don't know for sure, but in any event, the A suffered from a reputation for poor sharpness as a result.

The few shots I have previously seen which were captured with the 2.8 Tessar didn't look at all bad. Although the model has a reputation as a poor performer I think that if you have a good example the image quality can be very nice. And of course, you own a Rolleiflex model that is absolutely unique because no other Flex was fitted with the 2.8 version of the Tessar.

It's an interesting comparison, because of course the A also has the earlier type shutter (or a Compur Rapid?). Either way it features the ten bladed aperture like the C (and of course the rare Biometar-equipped 2.8B). Anyone want to throw up a few images taken with a Biometar? We'd have all the early 2.8s covered in one discussion, then...

For what little my inexperienced opinion is worth, perusing back through pages of images added to the "favourite shot taken with a TLR thread" I'm always impressed by the image quality and out of focus rendition of any of the Rollei TLRs. Early; late; ten or five aperture blades; I think they can all generate fantastic images. I have a 2.8C Xenotar myself but I don't think the "bokeh" (and I struggle to use that term, lately, because of all the baggage that accompanies it) is better than the other models, it's just different, and whether it is preferable or not might depend on the subject, etc. I've seen some gorgeous images made with later 2.8 & 3.5 Es and Fs.

The one situation in which I feel the A, B & C models might be ahead of the others, could be when the out of focus area includes highlights (chrome bumpers, water reflections, and so on). If a lens is wide open then presumably they would all be equal, but a five bladed aperture lens, stopped down, will render little pentagons, which I think can sometimes be more distracting than circular OOF highlights.

In any case there's some great examples in this discussion, thanks to everyone who's added some pictures.
Regards,
Brett
 
I also just won a 2.8C on eBay and I'm super excited to get it (should be here by Thursday). Mine will have the Planar and I'm looking forward to running some B&W through it.

Thank you all for posting samples, they are great to see!
 
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